Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Osprey Style Hull Rebuilds => Flatback 22-2 Rebuilds => Topic started by: Aquasport&AChevy on June 22, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
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Im just going to start a thread of my progress. I'll try and post some pictures soon but as of now I'm just doing all the crap work tearing down the transom getting it ready to build it into a full transom.
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Outstanding!
Before pics are great for us to see what it was that made decide to get started....
Looking forward to seeing progress! :cheers:
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One quick question... What is everyone's thoughts on removing the whole inner wall when I take off the cap? I have seen some people kept the wall and just had it redone. I'm still up in the air on this so I would appreciate any opinions.
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I'm trying to post a picture but its too big I think?
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Hey, I started a free www.photobucket.com (http://www.photobucket.com) account. Load your pictures onto that site then copy and past on to here. Doing this resizes your photos to the correct size.
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The normal confusion about uploading pics into a topic is that you can upload a pic directly into a topic from your computer - no forum is capable of doing that - it's not possible (at least that I know of).
The way forums work is that you upload pics to a photo hosting site (in our case just upload any size pics to "your" photo gallery) and then you post a link to the place that you stored your pics and they show up in your post.
There is a topic in almost every forum, at the top, that explains how to post pics into your post.
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One quick question... What is everyone's thoughts on removing the whole inner wall when I take off the cap? I have seen some people kept the wall and just had it redone. I'm still up in the air on this so I would appreciate any opinions.
Are you referring to a liner? My 1967 flatback doesn't have a liner. I know Scott's (gran398) 1973 22-2 has a liner, but it is not a flatback. Are you sure you have a liner? I didn't realize any flatbacks had a liner :scratch: .
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Yes the liner it looks like it will pop free when i get the cap off and what does everyone think the best way to get the cap off is? Would it be easy to just grind through the bolts?
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I asked my brother and he said he has seen them with and without it mine is a 71 so maybe it was something they added on around that time.
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Ok, I didn't realize later flatbacks had liners. Learn something new every day. Since I'm unfamiliar with the liner, I can't offer any advice on removing it. For what it's worth, my cap is thru-bolted. The nuts are easily accessible.
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I asked my brother and he said he has seen them with and without it mine is a 71 so maybe it was something they added on around that time.
First off...WELCOME aboard. New members are the lifeblood of our club. Thank you and all of our new members for joining. You guys lurking....we'd like for you to join too :thumright:
So... down to business :wink:
If your boat has a liner (ie smooth fiberglass beneath the deck cap port and starboard) it is a twelve degree 22-2. It is not a Flatback 22-2. We have never documented a Flatback with a liner.
1971 is an interesting year.
Around and preceding that time.. original Flatback production ceased.... and "new" 22-2 production began. Featuring a twelve degree deadrise semi-V at the transom (not "flat" as in Flatback) and partial inner liner.
But...as we've recently seen...the year of production and year of official state registration can differ.
In order to properly identify your hull...we need pics :thumright:
So please give this a whirl....it's easy.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10343 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10343)
Again...Welcome!
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Maybe im crazy but there is another wall that looks like its going to pop off if I undo the cap and yes it is a flat back it looks just like all the others and the other wall is like a inch from the outer wall maybe you don't call it a liner? I will try to post a picture in the morning so I can be more clear of what I am referring to.
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And I take your word for there being no liner over my brothers I'm just confused why it starts to pop out when I undo the cap?
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All good :thumright:
Check out the link posted...posting pics. It is really easy....just read it through.
The boys gave me all shades of chit way back because I couldn't post pics...and I deserved it. I talked the talk, but couldn't walk the walk. Honestly, I was intimidated to try... and felt stupid.
If an old sombitch finally got it.....I KNOW you can :mrgreen:
Post us up some pics! Try and post them tomorrow morning.
Whether you have a Flatback or a 22-2....what a great problem to have!! :cheers:
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Haha I will for sure figure it out in the morning and let you guys see what you think.
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Oh and you know what I think you are right about it not being 222 I think it says 223 or something like that I forgot, my brother knows more details I just know it is a flat back. I'm here to just soak up as much knowledge as I can so I can rebuild this bad boy I'm no pro yet so I will be asking lots of questions lol!
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:thumright:
Take a close look at the link and post us up some pics :thumleft:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10343 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10343)
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Lets see how it works. This is just the transom I been getting it ready to grind. http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/CaptG ... b.jpg.html (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/CaptGriff/media/3cf17799-a0c3-4d26-bd42-8ffb3c764d42_zpsffd8dd7b.jpg.html)
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Here is a inside look at the stringers and what not http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a62 ... 4df809.jpg (http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a626/CaptGriff/bf9e4489-3803-41cc-a424-b5bfd6011375_zps044df809.jpg)
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The first picture is just the outter transom to show the hull. http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a62 ... d581ed.jpg (http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a626/CaptGriff/7650d4d9-a15a-4a99-ae94-61b27f520d71_zps0bd581ed.jpg). The second is where I need some imput this is back by the transom where the bilge pump used to be and this is what I have been calling the "liner" and I really just wanted to know if people remove it or if they redo it. As you can see through the hole there is two walls the outside white wall and about a inch later it looks to be the real haul. I have seen people sand it down from there but mine looks like it can easily be pulled out? I don't want to do anything to it before I get some good advice here. http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a62 ... 9c04a2.jpg (http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a626/CaptGriff/e4165dc2-8d2b-44b0-9509-0a3db55a2122_zpsb29c04a2.jpg)
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Yes, you definitely have a flatback!
What you are asking about IMHO is the inner fiberglass portion of the transom?
Most folks leave the outer portion, and cut off this inner portion with a skilsaw...then remove the plywood. This keeps the hull shape intact.
Hope this helps :thumright:
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Well if you look at this picture you can see it alittle better because I already got out most of the transom, you can tell alot better where it is here and it just looks like it would come undone all the way to the front of the boat? http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a62 ... 3ff7c6.jpg (http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a626/CaptGriff/17aaa203-3a9d-4b74-8e3f-b70541e669ef_zps333ff7c6.jpg)
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This is a good picture here of what I mean by it detatching if I undo the cap. It could be from my brother making the cuts too far up? Or maybe from cutting into the cap, he figured he could cut alittle out of the cap to redo the transom but maybe he went too far? Should I be worried about it coming off more and try and reseal it? http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a62 ... 2d0a22.jpg (http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a626/CaptGriff/1ce44a61-6f8d-4367-84f2-24e8f7a52f0b_zps602d0a22.jpg)
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Wow, that definitely is a liner of sorts...you're right. Never seen one like that, pretty cool!
Heck yea, pull it out. Then when you're finishing up, glue it back in....that's gonna add a lot of strength to your hull sides.
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Haha nice I don't feel crazy now!!
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Quick update on my progress... Today I will FINALLY have the transom wood out and I'll be ready to grind the transom down. It took me two weeks working on it every afternoon when it's not so hot out but I must say for anyone that has this job please use a air chisel, I did mine all by hammer and chisel and it's a real bit@& lol my hands are all tore up and I think I broke my back but hell with it, it was all worth it! I'll post a picture when I have it grinded up and ready.
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My cap looks to be on there pretty good and alot of screws are stripped so I was wondering if the best idea was to grind the screws out? What did everyone use to get theirs off? I'm open to anything, my brother and I could only unscrew about half of the screws on there so far.
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Take a cutoff wheel or cold chisel to it.
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Make sure you take some measurements and build some bracing before you remove the cap. The hull will probably want to distort when the cap is removed.
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My flat back had a liner in the bow between the casting deck and the cap
I removed it as I raised the floor and made casting deck smaller
Capt Matt