Classic AquaSport
General Aquasport Forums => Electronics => Topic started by: pigbike on February 06, 2013, 03:05:43 PM
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I am going to put a stereo radio in my boat and wonder if anyone out there has one mounted right above the built in tackle box. I saw one mounted that way in a photo, and assume there is room there, but never saw one in person. I guess if there is clearance behind the radio it is the best spot for it. Has anyone installed one there?
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My stereo is located above the tackle storage. Theres plenty of clearance behind there. I don't have the freshwater option in my sink area so I ran an ipod contol cord from the back of the stereo up through the sink drain. My Ipod is well protected from the elements. I also went with a stereo that has a wireless remote so I can control it from the helm or when swimming at the island.
you can see my stereo in these pictures.
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Mulv, That is what I want to do. Should have the radio tomorrow according to UPS. I guess there is plenty of room for speakers is the sides also.
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You can't see my speaker locations that well but one is right above the livewell and the other is visible in the first picture. There is plenty of clearance for the speakers on the passenger side, just be careful drilling above the livewell. I can't remember how close the fuel lines are but they are definetly in that vicinity. Just don't drill too deep. Or take out the rod box and you can see exactly what your doing, just be careful with the rod boxes. They get brittle after years in the sun and can crack easily around the radius.
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I think the wiring is on the helm side also. Darn sure I don't want to cut them either. I will remove the rod box. I took the other one out and your right about them being brittle. I wonder what to replace them with went they finally decide to fall apart.
I see you have the lounge seat also.
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Minor derail, but regarding the rod boxes, the ones in my wellcraft developed some BAD cracks but I was able to salvage and reinforce them by removing the boxes, aggressively sanding the backside w/a coarse grit sandpaper and covering with a layer of epoxy and glass. The epoxy adhere's well to the roughed up plastic and the finshed/cured support layer provides plenty of strength to the UV-weakened plastic. Working on the backside only allows you keep the finish and color in the exposed side too so you need little to no fine sanding, feathering, and recoating.
FYI - this is MUCH easier project to do proactively before the rod-boxes actually start to crack. Once the cracks develop it's hard to find ways to support the boxes so that it all stays properly aligned while glassing.
Good luck with the stereo mount PB!
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Ryan,
Thats a good tip. Your right about fixing them before they get too bad. They aren't very thick to begin with and with the back side buildup they might last another 10 years.
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Not to continue Ryan's derail, but every year during summer shutdown (I would work, why not some extra cash!!) we would replace dozens of the those rod pockets on boats shrink wrapped out in the yard. 1 year and they would crack in the heat inside that shrink wrap...
Plastic transom trim too on the Ospreys and Explorers... :roll: :roll:
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Flounder Pounder and Marine Connection Liquadtors have alot of rod boxes and I'm sure some can be made to fit pretty easily. I got lucky and was able to purchase a NOS rod box on ebay last year to replace a cracked one on my boat.
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OK,
I give up.
What the hell is a "rod box" on a 215 walkthru?
Thanks.
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It's not really a rod box, it's just the recessed area under the gunnel on both sides of the boat. It's more for shorter items like a cleaning brush, boat hook etc. I guess it's ok for short rods but I don't use it for rods.
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OK then,
Is that some form of insert rather than part of the cap?
Interesting. I've never seen a 215 DC in the flesh.
Any pics?
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Here you go Bob...
(http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/l_4062674_0_110920120607_3_zps53a5402b.jpg)
A removable insert, some AS and WC models had them, some didn't. The Scarab 302 Sport at the house has them. The WC 220 and 240 CCFs had them, the AS Ospreys and Explorers didn't. Some call them rod boxes, we called them rod pockets. Vacu-formed ABS, and in the early days before stabilized plastics and good UV inhibitors, well, .....they cracked.
The 215 DC really is a sweet boat, excellent for fishing and for family stuff. Always loved that boat...
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Well my radio appeared today at the front door. Looks pretty nice for a hundred bucks, radio, speakers and splash cover. Much better than expected. Now all I need is to get it installed. The wife has me repainting a bedroom and cleaning carpets so it's on the back burner for now.
My son said wait for him knowing my wiring capabilities . I guess he lost faith in me trying to wire a air horn on my Harley. When I was done it didn't work and the left directional was now not working. I'm sticking to putting batteries in my flashlight. Actually it was more involved as there was a motor fan, and some kind of other doodad involved in the wiring.
Roy
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Doodads...those dreaded doodads...
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Damm doodad had five prongs that wires had to be hooked to, the problem was H.D. rerouted horn wires to operate the engine fan. Stock horn was deleted, and horn button was useless. Jared got it to work but we still had the left directional problem. I finally figured it out, and we changed two wires. Everything now works, and I can pi$$ people off who aren't paying attention when they drive.
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Here you go Bob...
Now I see said the blind man :wink:
The 215 DC really is a sweet boat, excellent for fishing and for family stuff. Always loved that boat...
Agreed. The "walk thru" is very handy and the bow seating is what the family likes. You can do an enclosure over the helm (ever seen one with a hardtop?), plenty of seating and fishing room. The 80's Sandpiper was the CCP hull and had the recessed bow rail. I came very close to going with that model. Perfect fish/dive platform especially with a full bracket/swim platform installed :thumleft: .
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Here you go Bob...
Now I see said the blind man :wink:
The 215 DC really is a sweet boat, excellent for fishing and for family stuff. Always loved that boat...
Agreed. The "walk thru" is very handy and the bow seating is what the family likes. You can do an enclosure over the helm (ever seen one with a hardtop?), plenty of seating and fishing room. The 80's Sandpiper was the CCP hull and had the recessed bow rail. I came very close to going with that model. Perfect fish/dive platform especially with a full bracket/swim platform installed :thumleft: .
Hey Bob,
I was intrigued buy your comment regarding the 215DC and the hardtop with the enclosed cockpit. I have a 215DC and the Bimini just died, so I am giving heavy consideration to a hard top. I have never seen any pics, if you have any you can share or perhaps point me in the right direction that would be awesome. The other thing you said, I was not sure if it corresponds to the 215DC, was about the full bracket/swim platform. Does adding a full bracket to the 215DC improve ride quality? Again I have never seen one with a full bracket, so if you can share any pics, much appreciated.
I am starting to give thought to a re-power, I have an '02 250hp OX66 and am considering a new 300, if you have an opinion you can share with regards to that amount of power on my hull, I would love to hear it.
Should I be concerned with weight of all these options? My current setup includes a 36v MinnKota with 3 Group 29 batteries (2 in the v hatch in the bow, 1 in the ski locker area), the 250 OX66. Plus considering adding the weight of the hard top, engine bracket, and bigger motor. When diving in the Keys we'll head out with 4 divers, 8 tanks, and all the other crap.
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A 300!?!? :shock: What is the hull rated for? Also are you talking about a four stroke or a two stroke? I would think a four stroke 300 would be a tad heavy. Does your 215DC have the engine well like the one in picture Bob posted? An engine bracket will bake the boat perform like a long boat. It will also increase your fuel economy... just a tad. (engine is mounted a bit higher for less drag and the prop runs in cleaner water) Back to the power and weight question. You need to take a good look at your data plate and see what the maximum horse power and weight ratings are for that hull. I haven't been on a 215DC but I suspect you will be way over both maximums. On my 245 Explorer I usually consider a diving load such as yours a full load. The weight of dive gear, tanks, ice, etc etc add up REALLY fast. It doesn't take much to make these boat turn turtle real fast! Bob of course will know much more than I do.
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This one SB shows has a 200. If had to guess max HP 225, certainly no more than 250.
It would be uninsurable with a 300, not to mention liability if involved in an accident. Just a head's up.
Nice ride :thumright:
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Well boys...max power, 300 HP...
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Well...open mouth insert foot!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Thanks SB....that's a little fireball :wink:
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Scotty, can't say I ever saw one leave the plant with anything bigger than a 225. Standard power was a 150, most were sold with 200s...
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Scrapper, I have seen 1 with a custom made hard top, many years ago. It really looked good, the fore and aft legs were mounted to the gunnels, with diagonal fwd mounts sort of coming down across the windshields and bolting to the consoles. Do a google search of "Aquasport 215 DC images", a pic may turn up...
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I'd like to see a pic of his data plate. I'd be shocked if it says 300 HP on that. As we know sales data can be wrong and the max HP option listed is a 225. Even if it is rated for that much HP a 300 four stroke would be too heavy. It don't think the extra 50 HP would gain you much anyways since the 250 is already overkill.
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I'd like to see a pic of his data plate. I'd be shocked if it says 300 HP on that. As we know sales data can be wrong and the max HP option listed is a 225. Even if it is rated for that much HP a 300 four stroke would be too heavy. It don't think the extra 50 HP would gain you much anyways since the 250 is already overkill.
Bruce, even the 2000 PIG book (Product Information Guide) shows the 215 DC (renamed to the 215 Osprey Sport, same boat) having a 300 HP max rating.
Keep in mind at that time there were no 300 HP O/Bs, save for the Evinrude V-8, which I believe was no longer being produced for the US market (overseas, yes). The max anybody was building were Merc 250 Offshores and Yam 250 SW2s. So it's not like the transom, which is obviously a single engine transom, was ever gonna see a factory 300...but the cap plate says you can throw one on there if you want to!!!
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Like I said I'd like to see a capacity plate for that thing. When it comes down to it that's what will matter.
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remember Bruce, that hull is shared with the explorer, and wellcraft's coastal, both where offered as an IO with a Mercruiser 350 mag mpi as the top motor, and was rated as 270-300 hp... and a 350 small block, transom and out drive weigh a good bit more than most 4-s outboards.
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remember Bruce, that hull is shared with the explorer, and wellcraft's coastal, both where offered as an IO with a Mercruiser 350 mag mpi as the top motor, and was rated as 270-300 hp... and a 350 small block, transom and out drive weigh a good bit more than most 4-s outboards.
True Arron but the weight of the I/O is further forward and considerably lower than the outboard. Maybe the max HP stems from the I/O models. Like Bob said there was no such thing as a 300 hp back then.
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IMO, forget the factory rating of a 300 HP OB for that little boat. A 200 would be a ball of fire...a 300 overkill from a weight/danger standpoint.
Anything over 50 mph...she could chine walk over to port and be on the six 'o clock news.... :(
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Ran an overpowered 19-6 once. About 42 mph she started porpoising real bad. Any faster than that became weird, unpredictable, and unpleasant.
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IMO, forget the factory rating of a 300 HP OB for that little boat. A 200 would be a ball of fire...a 300 overkill from a weight/danger standpoint.
Anything over 50 mph...she could chine walk over to port and be on the six 'o clock news.... :(
The Deck plate does say 300, an Evenrude G2 300 (558lbs) or even a Yammy 300(562lbs) would not add much weight over my '02 Yammy 250hp OX66(527lbs). I was thinking a 300 because that is the max HP on the deck plate and the weights for the 200's - 300's are the same, the price increase for the difference in power between those is pretty small considering the total investment.
But I would love to learn more about boats and hulls with regards to the statement, "Anything over 50 mph...she could chine walk over to port and be on the six 'o clock news....". What happens at the magical threshold of 50 miles an hour that makes the boat want to chine walk to port? With my 250, my boat will hit 47 and I have not noticed any chine walk yet, maybe once I hit that magical 50 I guess all hell is going to break loose?
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This one SB shows has a 200. If had to guess max HP 225, certainly no more than 250.
It would be uninsurable with a 300, not to mention liability if involved in an accident. Just a head's up.
Nice ride :thumright:
Please help he have a better understanding of underwriting guide lines for P&C business and how my boat would be uninsurable with a 300.
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Scrapper, Scotty no doubt said that assuming the max HP rating was 250. Of course she will be insurable knowing that the max rating is 300...
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Yes that it true, an incorrect assumption on my part. My apologies.
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IMO, forget the factory rating of a 300 HP OB for that little boat. A 200 would be a ball of fire...a 300 overkill from a weight/danger standpoint.
Anything over 50 mph...she could chine walk over to port and be on the six 'o clock news.... :(
The Deck plate does say 300, an Evenrude G2 300 (558lbs) or even a Yammy 300(562lbs) would not add much weight over my '02 Yammy 250hp OX66(527lbs). I was thinking a 300 because that is the max HP on the deck plate and the weights for the 200's - 300's are the same, the price increase for the difference in power between those is pretty small considering the total investment.
But I would love to learn more about boats and hulls with regards to the statement, "Anything over 50 mph...she could chine walk over to port and be on the six 'o clock news....". What happens at the magical threshold of 50 miles an hour that makes the boat want to chine walk to port? With my 250, my boat will hit 47 and I have not noticed any chine walk yet, maybe once I hit that magical 50 I guess all hell is going to break loose?
She COULD chine walk to port as stated with excessive horsepower. Although rated for 300 HP...why would you need it? None of these boats were lofted for high speed. Designed to run good with economy in varying conditions.
But its your boat....this is just my opinion, and I'm not a naval architect. However, I have owned and run a lot of boats over the course of 50 years. Rig her up and see what you got.
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Keep in mind these hulls are not designed for speed. I get your point on the similar weights... but that much power will not help a overloaded boat.
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After a little research into the same year Wellcraft Costal 220 which I believe is understood to be the same hull, I found documentation that the boats dry weight with the I/O option to be 3800lbs, my Aquasport lists a dry weight of 3000 lbs with a 150hp motor on it. So after this discovery, what I used to fear as overweighting the boat in the past I think is fully within the boats capabilities.
I think you are all correct, the boat does not need a 300 hp motor, but for 10% more money I can get 20% more HP at the same weight, hell why not?