'74 22-2

[JimCt]

Found this 22-2 locally for sale.





Will be going over for a look-see on Sunday.  Haven't seen it in person yet. Judging by this & other pix seller sent she looks to have some wear & tear but appears to be all there.  My experience has been only with my 170 as far as looking for problems such as soft deck spots & weak transom.  Are there any other areas which I should look out for?  Hard to see from the picture but it looks like she had twins at some point.  Plexi at the transom I think is the remainder of a splash board.  Any info. on hp this year hull was rated for?  Am undecided if I want the engine or not.  Maybe if compression's good I should take it.  We'll see.  

Advice, opinions & info. needed...

[ddd222]

i would bring a rubber mallet or a moisture meter depending on the asking price, could be some major wetness or rot, transom, deck etc. Definately looks like the boat was powered w/ twins, or was converted from an inboard?? Why the vents??Could be wrong but my 1st thought was inboard

[RickK]

Looks like a nice boat.
I only see one "notch" where the main motor is now.  Don't see evidence of big holes drilled through transom on each side for twins???  I do see where they may have had a kicker though.  Maybe I'm missing something.  You'll let us know though.  
I was wondering about the vents too - maybe a design standard back then?  I saw them on OldSchool's and assumed it had to do with inboard.  Then saw on a few other 222s and wondered about them - have to go back to the literature section again I guess.
Good luck Jim.

[JimCt]

Thanks for the observations.  I spent quite some time looking over the pictures and did see the vent but never occured to me to connect it to the possibility she might have been inboard, or maybe I/O originally.  If she was originally inboard, likely I'll see other evidence.  If she never was inboard, why the vents?  Don't have any interior shots.  Looks to still have the orig. green "rope" railing.

Another view:



 Will take camera & mallet tomorrow, get detail shots all around and do some thumping.  Will post findings.

[JimCt]

Am I going to have a problem towing this puppy with my cherokee?  Nothing long distance of course...

[ddd222]

as far as what limited knowledge i have of inboards, vents are needed just like blowers to get rid of fumes, i.e. fire, explosion(would be embarrassed if someone told otherwise), i believe some old sea craft cc's also have them, prob from inboards, can't see the need w/ outboards

[Mr. Osprey]

My father had vents on his 70's 19-6 AS just like those that ran to his gas tank. He ran a 80's Evinrude V4 115hp.

[RickK]

Another view:



 Will take camera & mallet tomorrow, get detail shots all around and do some thumping.  Will post findings.

Hadn't seen the "bandaid" on the port front.  Check it out and it should give you a little more negotiating power.

[Deck Daddy]

I’ll be the voice inside :twisted: . Go for it Jim, you know you want it, you have the Aquasport bug. You can never have to many  boats........

That is the nicest 222 that I have seen around these parts. One man can not have to many boats. Hell, I just purchased a ‘69 thunderbird to rebuild.   Loved them boats ever since I was a kid.

[JimCt]

DD,
Why'd I have the suspicion I'd hear from some trouble-maker like you...?  Thought you were "One Boat at a Time".  Well, of course you are right; I do want a 22-2 and love can be (and as a rule is) blind.  On the other hand $ are $.  Just don't want to be making a bad move going to the altar with this one.

 Guess I'm a bit spoiled with the 170; she arrived just about perfect. This 22-2 looks to have been honestly used, not abused, from what little I can make of her.  A few dings & boinks here & there certainly aren't deal breakers but a weeping fuel tank and/or punky transom are.  Sadly, there are a lot of AS junks out there.

Rick,  Hadn't thought about that plastered-up puncture damage as a negotiating item, but you have a point.

 One thing I try to live up to in any negotiation is to be a "good buyer".  If I sense the seller is up-front and dealing in good faith, I'll never try to pound the negotiation so hard the seller feels squeezed.  Case in point was when I bought the 170.  In talking with the seller, I found out he had just bought another boat and really had to get rid of the 170... fast. Could I have squeezed another $500 out of the deal?  Easily.  But by doing that he & I would have come away from the deal as adversaries.  I put the $500 in his pocket because I wanted to be able to contact him after the sale to help with any questions I might have about the boat or engine.  As it turned out, I had several post-sale phone conversations with him.  His knowlege of the boat & engine paid me back that money.  He subsequently helped me out in the registration process with paperwork, gave me all the service paperwork on the engine and some sound advice.  If he'd been wedged by the deal, he certainly wouldn't have been too happy to hear from me again.  Lord knows, no one likes to leave money on the table.  In the right circumstances though,  those few extra bucks can turn out to be a good investment indeed.

[RickK]

Jim - I agree totally.  It's there if you need it.
What are you going to do with the 170?
The reason I ask is I too have the 5ft envy but every time I look at buying one, I realize that I would end up with what I already have but 5ft longer. Then I'd have 2 of the same boat in the driveway 'cause I probably wouldn't want to part with the 170    
Maybe I can find an AS cutty - I really like the 25s but don't have the vehicle to pull it (got rid of that capability 2 years ago) and the loop begins.

[Deck Daddy]

Yep, but where would we be without  acknowledging the voices inside. You will make the right choice. “One boat at a time” is what I say, so my 17’ will be up for sale shortly to make room for my next project that I will have plenty of time to work on where I may be going. Good luck with it, we know you will make the right choice.

[JimCt]

The means for towing a 22-2 haven't been worked out... Have to see if the Cherokee is up to the task.  Trailer has surge brakes so maybe that'll help.

This is this morning:



 Advantage (disadvantage) is that there's room for fifty boats in the back field.  I speak from experience concerning the slow collection of things I can't possibly use; I have 4 tractors in the barn of which only one "works" for a living.  Likely I'd sell the 170 if the 22-2 is in shape to be comissioned in the spring.

DD, don't rely on me or my voices inside for any imitation of sanity.

[RickK]

Brrrr... we're freezing (so to speak) down here and it's in the 40s.  MAY be too cold to go out on the boat although I'm tempted to go later in the day.
What does the Cherokee have for muscle?  4cyl or 6cyl or 8cyl?  4 cyl - lucky if you could tow the 170 out of a steep ramp, 6 cyl - ok for 170 (I have 6 cyl in my Tacoma), any bigger boat I think I would go with an 8 cyl.  
Now, I don't know how heavy the 222 CC is - a few hundred (500?) more than the 170 empty + bigger motor=more weight.  I know with my (ex) F150 4x4 with 5.8L and towing package I wouldn't sweat the 222 at all.  Don't know how ballsy the Cherokees are.  I have a buddy who tows his 25 AS Family Fisherman with a dodge 2500 4x4 diesel and that is a big, heavy boat (much bigger than the truck).
We'll be waiting for the report.

[g-man]

The vents were a Coast Guard requirement for hulls with internal fuel tanks and not totally foamed. Note two intakes on the bow and the exaust portside on the stern. Part of the preflight should be to sniff the exaust. You can detect a developing fuel leak early on.