Classic AquaSport
General Aquasport Forums => Classified => Topic started by: Laz on February 07, 2009, 06:15:54 PM
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EDIT: Below are edited/merged threads by the Forum Moderator; 19 December 2010
For those Members who wish to buy (or sell) on the internet, please take time to read through (if you haven't already) this collection of posts (two threads). They illustrate how a "sweet deal" can go sour in a hurry.
First off, I'm not posting these as a knock on the members mentioned. Their misfortune can and probably has visited many of us in the past but rather as a guideline for any and all members searching for that dream Aquasport. I hope it also encourages members to utilize the limited but informational resources we have on this Forum concerning these classic boats and to feel free to ask for help in making any kind of purchase or installation. I can only speak for myself but I honestly feel there are many other members that would respond in kind, that I will be more than happy to visit a prospective "find" in my area and offer a thorough evaluation of same.
Above all, use common sense and your better judgment no matter how hard it pulls at your emotional heartstrings.
Good luck and remember half the fun is in the hunt. :thumleft:
PS.... If anyone has mixed feelings about these posts or comments, please PM me and I'll respond to your concerns.
Thanks.
Capt. Bob :mrgreen:
Begin edited/merged threads. :salut:
A few weeks ago I purchased, or thought I had, a 75 hull from Thomas70 on this forum. I sent him the money and worked out an arrangement with him to have the boat delivered to me here in Fl. Originally I was going to go up and get the boat but things didn't work out. So, I called him to cancel the purchase and this is when he offered to bring the boat to me. He said he had to run to Vero to pick up another boat and I was assuming it was worked related since he says he owns Anderson Yacht Co. on Conowingo, Md. He told me that he was waiting for the owner of that boat to get the check and that he was planning on coming to Fl. this weekend and I would be able to meet him in either Vero Bch. or outside of Tampa. In the meantime, he cashed the check I sent him for the boat. I have been calling and texting him but he has yet to return either.
I'm hoping at this point that Mr. Aaron Anderson, Thomas70, maybe got into a car accident explaining why he hasn't called me. If anyone on this forum or the ClassicMako forum knows how I might get in touch with him I would appreciate it.
Maybe I misunderstood him about coming into Fl. this weekend with the boat for me. If I have, my bad! But, I would think a return call would be nice to let me know one way or the other.
If any one has any suggestions or any means as to how I would be able to get in touch with him, I would appreciate the info. Feel free to give me a call @727-515-3416. I like to not think that I'm out the $1000 that I paid him for it.
Thomas70, if you read this please call me so that I can make other arrangements to get the hull or my money back!
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Tom I told you I was waiting for the buyer to get a check from the bank to send to the seller of the boat in Vero. He did not get that squared away yet, I told you I thought I was coming but not positive, I wound up going to Michigan to pick up a boat for a customer I left friday mornig and got home late last night, with my phone laying on the counter where I had mistakenly left it friday morning. I do not appreciate this, I had a place lined up in N.C. and ready to leave to bring you the boat before when you called me the day before and cancelled. Then you stopped payment on the check and my truck payments got returned. I do this stuff for a living and am not in the business to rip people off. The sale of this boat was not with the stipulation I deliver it anywhere, and I turned away other buyers becuase I had already spoke with you and you told me you would take it, maybe prematurely on your part. I will send your money back to you this week.
Aaron Anderson
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Update, I have yet to receive the money like you said. I text you last week and you said it was sent out on Wednesday. It has been one week since you said you sent it and the money has yet to arrive. You have now posted the boat back on CraigsList for sale and have not answered any of my other messages requesting the money or allowing me to make other arrangements to get the boat hull. I am curious as to how you can attempt to sell the boat hull when I have yet to receive my money? Either send me the money or call me so I can get the hull. I would appreciate a call ASAP!
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Continuing, I got a text from Thomas70 last Thursday while he is in Cabo...probably spending my $1000, that the check was left on his wife's secretarys desk and wasn't sent out. However, it was supposed to have been sent out that day. Figured should have arrived today... it didn't!
Reason I'm posting all this is too show you that just because someone is all over these sites and you think they're trustworthy, they may not be. This gentleman owns a business, has posted all over this site and ClassicMako and look what I'm going through. He continues to tell me he is sending the money but I haven't seen it yet. I have other options, legal, that I can pursue but I was just hoping to resolve it before it were to get to that point.
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So, I gave Mr. Anderson another opportunity to send me the money. After he sent me the text saying his wife put it on the sec's desk and forgotten about that it got sent out that Friday had never arrived. Again, I've tried calling Mr. Anderson, Anderson Yacht in Conowingo, Md., and his cell number goes straight to voice mail. Sure he is call screening me. Sent two texts along with e's to him which also weren't replied. I have simply told him that the check didn't arrive and again, if he doesn't want to send me the money to allow me an opportunity to get the hull. At this point not sure it exists even though it's posted on CraigsList (Delaware listing). I haven't gotten any response from him.
I will be filing a police report locally since once he posted the boat for sale on CraigsList again this went from a civil matter to a criminal matter, Intent to Defraud. After that, I will hand deliver a copy to the Howard County Police Dept. in Conowingo and stop by Mr. Anderson's Yacht Company to personally meet him.
I do like his post above where he mentions, "I do this stuff for a living and am not in the business to rip people off." So far, that's exactly what he is doing!
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Wow hope everything works out for you in the end keep us posted
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Laz, he posted this above:
Then you stopped payment on the check and my truck payments got returned.
So, did you stop payment, thus him not getting the money "really" (I've never stopped payment on a check - so forgive my ignorance on this)? Could this be why he's not responding?
I'm not defending either side, believe me. Has anyone else had problems with him on other sites?
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Laz, he posted this above:
So, did you stop payment, thus him not getting the money "really" (I've never stopped payment on a check - so forgive my ignorance on this)? Could this be why he's not responding?
That's a good point. If you truly did place a stop payment before the check hit your account and funds were withdrawn, then he owe's you nothing.
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Maybe I should have mentioned that when I called to cancel the deal because I was unable to make the trip up, I did cancel that check because it didn't want that check floating around out there trusting that he would either send it back or rip it up. Who wouldn't? When the new deal was worked out I told him to hold the check and not to cash it until it was a definate he was coming down to Fl. to pick up that other boat.
After speaking he said he was coming to Fl. to pick up another boat he offered, not me, to bring the hull down meeting him in Vero Bch.to pick it up. I agreed and called HIS bank along with going to my bank to reinstate the check. Another check needed to be issued. He told me that he needed the money to make his truck payment(s) and wanted me to overnight a check since his bank wouldn't take my credit card, nor would Thomas70 because he told me he didn't want to have to pay the credit card fees. He never mentioned his truck payments bounced because of that nor did his bank. He only said he needed the money to make his truck payements that were due. It wasn't mentioned till he posted on here. I immediately overnighted a check to him which he cashed that day upon receiving it. Regardless, if that is why he's keeping the money he should call me and discuss those fees if he had any and I would not have a problem working that out with him. But, not returning my calls requesting the money back or allowing me to get the hull is wrong!
So are you saying, MY BAD, and he should just keep the money because he was relying on my $1000 to make his truck payments even before the hull been given to me? I'll give him his "bounced check fees" if there are any. Show me proof but give me the rest of my money back or the hull after that. I was looking forward to rebuilding an AS and this experience has about put an end to that desire!
What about his quote above saying that he would return the money? I did file a Fraud report yesterday with the local Police Dept. and they also agreed. I told them about the first check being stopped which made no difference to them.
GW204, what do you mean he owes me nothing? I paid for a hull? He should keep the money and not give me the hull? $1000 for bounced check fees?
Rick, I don't know if anyone else has had any problems with him.
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GW204, what do you mean he owes me nothing? I paid for a hull? He should keep the money and not give me the hull? $1000 for bounced check fees?
No, I'm not saying that at all (nor am I taking sides). My comments were based on your initial post where you talked about only 1 check being issued and 1 check cancelled. Your new post outlines a different situation.
I've spoke with Aaron a few times via phone and email. I got the impression he's a good guy. I know he is on several other forums and appears to be well respected. There's got to be some logical explanation...
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GW,
Sorry that I possibly came across as a little.......pi**ed off, I am! Nothing against you but this just has been very frustrating. I wished there was a reasonable explanation! I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've called him or text him to possibly put an end to this with either him sending me the money back or just letting me come get the boat hull. I have still yet to receive any calls back. Even last Friday I left a message on his phone again saying I would be more then willing to work something out and still no return call.
I would think that if anyone does any business with him in the future they might take a look at this situation with him that I'm in and make a reasonable decision based on it. Again, the police have taken the report and have, or will be, faxing it up to the PD in the city that Aaron lives in. Also, CraigsList has started investigating on-line frauds as does EBAY and the same information will be passed onto them.
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I've noticed that his reposting of the boat hull on CraigsList is no longer on. I am curious if he's sold my hull...oops! I mean the hull he had also sold me and won't return my money on..Hopefully, nobody on this forum after reading my troubles purchased it from him.
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Don't let go Laz, I hope you learn from it
Marc..
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Thanks Marcq!
Thought I would try this one more time. Aaron, please give me a call so we can discuss arrangements for me to get the boat hull or my money back.
Let's see if he answers this. He answered my original post pretty quickly so maybe he might again to save face as to the fact that he doesn't do business like this.......
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Laz, look for him at The Hull Truth forum, he as been a member there since 2005. The internet is such a small world :)
Come on Thomas70 !!
Marc..
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GW,
Sorry that I possibly came across as a little.......pi**ed off, I am! Nothing against you but this just has been very frustrating. I wished there was a reasonable explanation! I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've called him or text him to possibly put an end to this with either him sending me the money back or just letting me come get the boat hull. I have still yet to receive any calls back. Even last Friday I left a message on his phone again saying I would be more then willing to work something out and still no return call.
No hard feelings dude. Hope you get it all worked out. :)
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Thanks Marc and Gw. I looked on the hull truth a little but will look more later. I did put a post on the Mako site since I guess he's on that site often also. I guess the moderator didn't like the post and zapped it! And all I did was warn against using Thomas70 or his business until speaking with me.
After filing the police report, it was finally assigned to a detective. I spoke with him and gave him as much information that I had on Aaron inlcuding, unfortunately, his mother's address that I had which is where I was supposed to meet him the first time to get the hull.
I understand that it's only money but too me, it's the principal of it at this point.
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So, turns out that I'm not the only one that Thomas70 has scammed. Heard from another individual from another site that he was scammed out of $400 for a crossbow that he bought from him and never received nor has the money been returned. Hey Thomas70, if your not a scammer or don't do business like this where is your post defending yourself?!
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What a shame :( I hate people like that, but like they say, what goes around comes around
Don't let go man, I'm keeping an eye out for you
Marc..
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I got home from work today, checked my mail and guess what was in it? Thats right! There was an envelope from Mr. Anderson and inside of it was a cashiers check. Check looks legit so first thing tomorrow will take it too the bank. So, looks like this saga might have finally come to an end!
Wahooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe I should have mentioned that when I called to cancel the deal because I was unable to make the trip up, I did cancel that check because it didn't want that check floating around out there trusting that he would either send it back or rip it up. Who wouldn't? When the new deal was worked out I told him to hold the check and not to cash it until it was a definate he was coming down to Fl. to pick up that other boat.
After speaking he said he was coming to Fl. to pick up another boat he offered, not me, to bring the hull down meeting him in Vero Bch.to pick it up. I agreed and called HIS bank along with going to my bank to reinstate the check. Another check needed to be issued. He told me that he needed the money to make his truck payment(s) and wanted me to overnight a check since his bank wouldn't take my credit card, nor would Thomas70 because he told me he didn't want to have to pay the credit card fees. He never mentioned his truck payments bounced because of that nor did his bank. He only said he needed the money to make his truck payements that were due. It wasn't mentioned till he posted on here. I immediately overnighted a check to him which he cashed that day upon receiving it. Regardless, if that is why he's keeping the money he should call me and discuss those fees if he had any and I would not have a problem working that out with him. But, not returning my calls requesting the money back or allowing me to get the hull is wrong!
So are you saying, MY BAD, and he should just keep the money because he was relying on my $1000 to make his truck payments even before the hull been given to me? I'll give him his "bounced check fees" if there are any. Show me proof but give me the rest of my money back or the hull after that. I was looking forward to rebuilding an AS and this experience has about put an end to that desire!
What about his quote above saying that he would return the money? I did file a Fraud report yesterday with the local Police Dept. and they also agreed. I told them about the first check being stopped which made no difference to them.
GW204, what do you mean he owes me nothing? I paid for a hull? He should keep the money and not give me the hull? $1000 for bounced check fees?
Rick, I don't know if anyone else has had any problems with him.
That's funny Laz you told me someone stole your wallet and police badge out of your car and you cancelled your credit cards but not the check. Why would I hold a personal check from someone I don't know and haul a boat to N.C. give you a title then come home deposit the check only to find out it was no good ? Which you never offered too repay the returned check fees from you check, you just demanded me too send you a check. I sold you a boat in Md and delivery was not my responsibilty, I did offer too bring it to N.C. and visit with my mother, I even rented a condo to stay for the weekend only for you too call and give me a story why you could not come get it, which I see you did not volanteer the story. I can't imagine someone making up a story like that. Then after 3 weeks and all of the previous buyers I had had moved on, you wanted me too give you your money back on a boat you purchased knowing where it was. I waited so long too refund your money becuase I wanted too be positive your check was not coming back again, I have done alot of business with and helped alot of people on this forum and others and have not screwed anyone.
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It takes a month for the check to clear? I sent it too you overnight mail. The next day you cashed it you would have known then if it wasn't any good!
What's your explanation for the gentleman who bought the crossbow from you on January 5th and has yet to receive it? How may calls and e mails from him have you not returned giving him an explanation as to why you kept his $400? In your classified post for the bow you already had purchased the bow for your father but found that it was too heavy or something like that. I know, you were holding onto it because you were waiting for his certified check to clear!
Have a nice day Aaron!!
Ever in Fl. stop by and see me!
Tom
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EDIT:19 December 2010 Begin Thread 2 Part 1:
I was bored at work so I went on Crackslist searching for Aquasports and look what I found. Only 2 pics, but from the 2 she appears to be in excellent condition. I spoke with the owner and he's owned the boat since new in 1976. Its a 1975 boat has the original cooler seat and cushions throughout. Original Badging, Soilid, no soft spots, Clear windshield. No bottom paint. Stored under cover and drystorage. All I know is that it looks and sounds nice, might be a jem.
Im not affiliated with this guy but he keeps getting calls from brokers and does not want to deal with them. I told him I would post it on this site for him so if you get his answering machine, Tell him Scott from Largo told you to call.
Someone from here better jump
See below, gran398 scooped it up.
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Scott,
Thanks for the heads-up. I've been looking one for a while now. He's sending more pics. Will keep u posted.
Thanks!
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SOLD. Somebody bought it.
Me!!!!!!
I am so darn excited, I'm like a kid on Christmas morning. Kudos to my friend Skoot for digging out this jewel. It was purchased new by the owner in 1975. Always ran twins. Started off with twin 60 Johnsons, a set of Evinrudes, and now the new Merc 75's.
This gentleman built a home on Marco Island in 1974, bought this boat in '75. When he built his home on Marco, he made the garage 2 feet longer in order to store this boat. He has always summered at his home in Cape Cod. So, for 3 1/2 months, every year for the last 35 years, this boat was placed in the garage all summer long at his home in Marco.
When it wasn't in the garage, it stayed covered on the lift. All original cushions, badging, Aqua flip seat, bow dodger, hawses, cleats, lights, console, etc. everything original. I'm still pinching myself.
Just like Skoot's 19-6, same condition, just longer. When i get her up here to NC, will post pics.
Some more good news: I am no longer a pretender/lurker, I'm a full-fledged card-carrying Classic Aquasport owner!!!
Thanks again Skoot!!
WOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
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:cheers: :cheers: Looking forward seeing more pictures
Marc..
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SOLD. Somebody bought it.
Me!!!!!!
Some more good news: I am no longer a pretender/lurker, I'm a full-fledged card-carrying Classic Aquasport owner!!!
WOOOO-HOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
CONGRATS :thumright: :thumleft: :thumleft: Kinda like finding an old Vette in a little ole ladies barn covered with a tarp....
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Congrats! Like I told skoot there ain't nuthin like lookin' in the mirror and all ya see is bow!
Especially a classic Aquasport one!!
Too bad skoots already using the Time Capsule name!
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Way to go G3! Nice boat, and the twin 75s should be very nice - economical when trolling on one engine, and also the confidence of twins so you can get back if one coughs up a hairball... :puker:
Now you just have to plan the road trip to pick her up. The way I figure it, it's about 8-10 beers from Wilmington to Marco Island. :lol: Check the trailer wheel bearings before you make the trip back - I would probably repack the grease in the bearings just to be on the safe side - it's probably been a while since the trailer was on the highway. Don't forget to take the cushions and canvas off for the trip back, as bad weather and canvas flapping in the wind can really mess them up on a longer trip at highway speeds. :wink:
Welcome to the esteemed and respected :roll: group of Aquasport owners!
See ya on the water!
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Thank you all very much for the congrats and warm welcome.
I can't wait to get it, and post some pics.
Cap'n John, it has no trailer. So either need to rent one, buy one, or....have a semi bring it up here. There is a boat transport co. around here, cked with him, looks like it would run 11 to 1200 bucks. Need to figure it out, but I'd prob spend 350 in gas or so, there and back, plus missing work...so, gonna think it over. Also, its fully insured by the transport co. till its delivered.
Thoughts?
Thanks again all!!
G3
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Congrats man, I was drooling when I saw the pictures. Maybe we can start a 22-2 with twins registery! I`ve got an original 73 22-2 with twin 115`s (wish it had twin 75`s). I cant wait to see the pictures.
Fitz73222
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$1200 goes a good way toward a trailer. I got my trailer from Capps - they are near you and have some good deals:
http://www.cappspromotions.com/utilitya ... ailers.asp (http://www.cappspromotions.com/utilityandboattrailers.asp)
Give them a call.
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Good point John. Gonna start saving some sheckles.
Brother, can u spare a dime?..... :lol:
Tx!
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Nicely done, I know your stoked that thing is sweeter than my wifes aaaaa, well you get the point.
Im so glad it went to someone on this site, not some kook.
Cant wait to seee some pics
Congrats :cheers:
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Skoot!
You da man! It was all you, brother!
Looking forward to meeting you!....AND your wife!!!!!!!.... :lol:
Thank you again. When I get it outta pawn, will send some pics!!
Your pal,
A woman trapped in a man's body,
Granny
ps to Fitz...Thank you! We's cousins!
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EDIT: 19 December 2010 Part 2:
Fellas, it should be a joyous night. But its not. The boat was misrepresented. Severe bow damage, poorly repaired. Forward hull gunnel top, looks like was caught up under a dock,(both sides) heavy damage, poor repair. Floors very soft. Nice twin Merc 75's, but 25 inch motors on a 20 inch transom, top mounts 5 inches above the transom, sticking up in thin air.
Thats just for starters. White spray paint all over, covering Bondo. I'm not doing so good tonight. BIG blisters all along the exterior bottom hull, every foot....looks like someone put screws in it way back when, and covered it up, why?
None of this was shown in the photos. No one to blame but myself, should've flown down there.
The emotion of the purchase took precedence over good judgement. And the old fella seemed so nice, so honest. "Tell me what's wrong with the boat?" Nothing, he said. But won't return my calls tonight.
My own fault, need to learn to not trust people, even if their 80 years old. I wasn't brought up that way.
I'm not doing so good.
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This sucks :thumbdown:
A dream turned into a nightmare. :x
Many looked forward to seeing this "time machine".
Gran:
I'm sorry.
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Holy crap Gran! I just got off the phone with skoot and I am in disbelief. WTF? I know you are sick. What a bunch of BS! Freakin' 25" on that hull, give me a break. I'm sorry, I am just stunned! Please tell me this is a April fools joke, I thought that crap was the other day.
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I cant believe that old man and how he represented that boat. Im still waiting for you to say HAhaha.
Now I do remember him saying he would like to meet us. I say we go pay the Old man a visit. :evil:
Keep your head up bro, the right one will come along...
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I say we go pay the Old man a visit. :evil:
Pick me up on the way. First exit south of the Sunshine Skyway. (http://forums.floridasportsman.com/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/IMOsmiley/pistols.gif)
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This is SAD :cry:
I thought pics were sent - were they of another boat? or from a couple hundred feet away? I don't remember seeing any.
This is SAD :cry:
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Wow, this really sucks. I remember seeing the pictures and thinking what a sweet boat. Keep looking, I'm sure one will come along soon that's to your liking.
-Rog
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yikes terrible news!!! just curious where are the original pics that he sent to you of the boat?? I looked in the other thread and didn't see any pics of the boat.
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Yes, had good pics. They looked great. All of the major damage was hidden in the pics by the front spray dodger. The bow damage wasn't shown.
The sale was predicated upon the right of refusal upon receipt. He finally answered the phone this morning. He said he absolutely did not agree to that. He said the boat was appraised for 11k, and had much higher offers than mine. I said fine, here's a chance for you to make more money. He said he didn't want the boat back....
I think I've pretty much figured out what happened to it. The CAT 5 Hurricane Charley a few years back hit Port Richey, Fl. ...Marco Island is pretty close to there. This boat didn't have a trailer, so he left it on the lift...It got hung up under a dock somewhere, crushed the front end. The repair looks like it was done by a ten year old.
I am absolutely sick to my stomach. The floor is shot. It will take 5K min. to get her right. So I'd have 15K in a boat that may bring 10.
Or, could sell the motors now for 3500 each, and take the hull to the dump.
Don't even want it in the yard. I'm just numb right now.
Thanks to you guys.
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Thanks to you guys.[/quote]
Just re-read tho post, that last part came out sounding funny. What I should have said was I appreciate all of your comments and concerns! Thanks.
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File a suit in small claims court. Recoup some of your money.
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That really is terrible!!!! i would be out of my mind
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Man that's SICK :pukel: . I was looking forward seeing more pictures of that boat :( . Hope you bring that old bum to court, I feel sorry for you
Marc..
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I think I remember how the trip was to go - you were going to come down and pick it up and pit stop on the way back. So how did it go down? Did you have it shipped up?
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I took bids from haulers for the trip down and back, pulling a new tandem. Found a guy that did it for 1k. The other bids were 15-1600.
Figured I'd have about that in it, and would miss work (I'm self-employed). So, let him go get it. Had already paid the old man in full. Never crossed my mind to have him inspect it. Took the old man at his word.
I feel like a fool. No, take that back...I am a fool.
If I sell the engines, I'm out around 4k, including the transport. Haven't titled the trailer yet, the dealer is a friend, hopefully he'll take it back, less some mileage money.
Fiberglass guy coming to give an estimate this weekend. Did not want a project....
I'm calling the Marco DA's office in the morning. I'm a fraud victim, but probably have no recourse. "Let the buyer beware" will be the defense.
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As I said - this sucks :cry:
Surprised we don't have members down that far that could have checked it out for you.
If it went through Charlie I'm surprised it's around at all. That was a wicked storm coming up the Charlotte harbor and then shot a diagonal up the state kickin a$$ all the way. Came within 25 miles of my house.
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So "nice" old guys can be deceiving SOBs too? :evil: Can't believe he misled that boat so badly!
I know this is kinda what you probably have in mind:
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/fvtd ... s-Wallace- (http://www.entertonement.com/clips/fvtdsftgqt--Get-medieval-on-your-assPulp-Fiction-Ving-Rhames-Marsellus-Wallace-)
or, from the same movie:
http://www.entertonement.com/clips/jndg ... Winnfield- (http://www.entertonement.com/clips/jndgllgpqh--The-path-of-righteousMovie-Samuel-L-Jackson-Pulp-Fiction-Jules-Winnfield-)
But life ain't the movies, and ya just can't do that kind of stuff these days... :cry:
So check it out, post some pics, talk to some friends who work with 'glass, and see what it might take to get her fixed. Heck, the engines are worth about what you paid. But, like Marsellus Wallace, you still got screwed (and not even kissed first!).
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EDIT: 19 December 2010 Part 3:
You guys won't believe it, I still don't.
Called the Merc dealer in Marco this morning to see if they knew anything about the boat. The service manager answered the phone, says thats funny, I have a 1976 22-2. So I had a new friend. Told him about all of the damage, etc. He said he would go through their records and call me back.
He called back a few minutes ago, said they had no record of the boat....but he said, you won't believe this, but about 2 weeks ago, a kid came in to buy a bow lifting eye for a 1975 22-2 Aquasport, plus resin, hardware, etc. The kid told the parts manager that he had dropped it off his Dad's lift, tore it up, and had to fix it so his Dad wouldn't find out. BECAUSE HIS DAD HAD JUST SOLD THE BOAT.
Can u guys believe it?
I'm numb again.
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HOLY $h!t!!! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:
I would be on the first flight to Marco. You are going down there correct?
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Dang man! You said it looked like a 10 year old had fixed it! Un-freakin' believeable!
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Just playing Devil's Advocate here.
Was not the owner 80 years old +/-?
He has a teenager/young adult for a son? :scratch:
Gran,
Do the repairs look "fresh" or more in line with your hurricane theory?
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Unreal !! (http://s259.photobucket.com/albums/hh301/seabob4/thcorn.gif)
Marc..
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Bob, turns out the "kid" is 50 years old. Can't wait for the old man to take his belt to him.
My glass guy says the "repairs" are fresh, matter of fact the 5200 is white like toothpaste, no mildew at all.
Thanks for the good thinking.
Hope we've got this SOB by the kahunies.
Marco Island Police Dept. is going to pay him a visit this weekend. Filed a swown statement this morning. The nice lieutenant is a fisherman.
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I'm not sure where I've been but i just read this whole nightmare and all i can say is WOW.
Gran i really feel terrible for you,hopefully the police can get somewhere with this dirt bag.
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Marco Island Police Dept. is going to pay him a visit this weekend. Filed a swown statement this morning. The nice lieutenant is a fisherman.
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Show us what the boat looks like now. (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e19/rkins/EMOTICONS/thcorn.gif)
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Wow what a story. Hope everything goes well
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I remember seeing this beauty. Sorry to hear about this. Glad to hear he is being paid a visit. What scumbags to not disclose this to you. Makes me sick! :thumbdown:
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Wow - a real Paul Harvey "the rest of the story!" What are the chances you would call and get a 22-2 owner, who just happens to know about the other boat and the whole story behind the damage. Amazing!
Wouldn't it be fun to be in the room with the 80 year old guy, his 50 year old son, and the PoPo Lt. for this discussion?!
Good luck - the way this story develops each day - I can't wait until tomorrow!
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Rick, thank you for your help.
The first set basically just shows her from afar, no damage shown.
Then the bow pics, doesn't really show the damage as in in real life. Heavy cracks, big crease, heavy stress cracks. Then the new gunnel damage as repaired by Junior, and the new lifting eye with custom aluminum plate. Then the upside down view of the plate install, then finally the new custom tongue and groove pine flooring underneath the forward gunnel (Junior again)
Just took her out to see if she'd run.. Cranked the engines in the yard. Ran good. Got her up on plane, konk, both motors knocked out. looked around, the idiot had the fuel filter mounted up in the top of the console, directly above the wiring...KA BOOM. Then he had a separate pump bulb at the filter so you could pump fuel to the stern....or to your wiring...Wow.
So just pumped it all the way back to the dock, hand stuffed under the console. My wife was REALLY impressed. She seems so happy too........... :oops:
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Man, going to be sick again :pukel: That's worst then I thought :puker: Nothing worst then trying to fix something that somebody tried to fix, that is bad :shock: . Hope your wife doesn't know much about boats or you will be sleeping on the couch for a while
Man I don't know what to say :scratch:
Marc..
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Defintely mis-represented - as I told you earlier, a lot of the damage looks older - "Nothing wrong with her" my a$$, the patch in the floor probably didn't just happen. From your info from the dealer, the custom diamond plate definitely hints of the lifting ring ripping out of the top of the boat. I'm trying to visualize what happened - did the boat fall straight down into the water - bow first? Did it fall onto the concrete wall below? Is there bottom damage near the prow? Like it smashing into a concrete floor? I agree with your guess about the dock - the top of the gunwale damage fits that perfectly. Or something fell on it from above.
Can't believe the repair under the gunwale - that's class work there. Like the other member that recently had some glass work done and they farmed it out to a kid or someone with that skill set.
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It hurts. I'm a small business person, and I have always tried to live and conduct business by the golden rule, that is, do unto others..
Took the old guy at his word. Should have inspected, or asked one of our SoFla members to ck. it out. Had an offer from Rob in Lauderdale to ride over. Skoot too. Didn't want to trouble them. Or, coulda/shoulda flown down myself. GREAT bunch of guys here on our board.
But, as you aptly point out Rick, we really don't know how much of the heavy damage was attributed to Junior. Someone could've gone over 5 weeks ago, said it looked okay for 35 years old, I'd have bought it just for the 8k worth of motors...$1500 in the hull...and would have received the boat anyhow with the new damage. That is, the old man would have shipped it on anyhow, after inspection, with new damage.
Fraud under Fla. law is defined as KNOWING deceit. The old man can plead he didn't know, therefore not intentional. I'd still have recourse, but civil only. I slept at a Holiday Inn Express last night... :roll:
Here are the options. Hope the Marco Lieutenant has a good meeting, convinces Paw that Junior needs a spanking, and stands behind it. $3500 bucks, I'm even. Of course want more, been thru hell, but trying to be realistic.
The old man crys bulls#%t, let the buyer beware, had the right of refusal, wasn't forced down my throat. All true. Then I hire the biggest big-wig Marco Island Clawyer out there, ching-ching, 3 to 5K spent to MAYBE collect the 3K. Upside down again, good money after bad.
One plus, richie-riches in places like Marco don't like publicity. Pretty sure he doesn't want this dirty laundry on the front page of the Gazette. What would his foursome think?
The saga continues. I REALLY APPRECIATE all of the thought, kind words, and pm's you guys have sent. Will keep you guys posted. This board is the best.
Sincerely,
Scott Rhodes
Wilmington, NC
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WOW Scott
It's actually worse than what I pictured after we spoke. You already know my feelings on this
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Yep Bump, hindsight is 20/20. But, as stated, without the new damage, I probably would have bought her, knowing wouldn't be hurt on the engines, just to get the hull.
The service manager at Marco River Marina said the pair of Mercs with those no hours would go for 10 to 11k there, seems high to me. Looked hard on Google, can't find an accurate value so far. Figuring 7K fire sale.
Reminds me of my new mail-order Russian Bride, some dental problems that weren't shown on E-Harmony....
You know what, ten years from now, won't make a flyin' flip.
Its fiberglass, as you've said before. Sticks and bricks as they say in construction. I'll get her right. Hopefully its with Paw's money. Thanks for offering to ride over when we first started talking about it.
Scott
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I sure hope some kind of settlement can be reached between you and the previous owner. The boat was definitely misrepresented!
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Thanks....so here's the news this morning, not good.
Two uniformed officers went to his house yesterday afternoon. He was of course shocked. The Lt. told him about his son, he said he didn't believe him, his son was an upstanding man, he would never lie to him. He said his wife had been diagnosed with cancer, he had too much to deal with. He became visibly upset, said he was through with the boat, and started crying. Then his wife began to cry too.
Said it was my boat, paid for, asked the officers to leave.
The Lt. said not to call him, write him a letter in a few days and plead my case.
Or, call an attorney, appear in Fla. Court for the lawsuit. Throw good money after bad.
So, can part it out now, sell the motors, keep the hull. Or run it this summer as it is (fix the fuel feed problem) and claim fame to the ugliest 22-2 in the Tarheel state. Do the glass work this winter.
If I were the old man, knowing my days on this earth were numbered, I'd make it right. But like the Lt. says, if he didn't repond to two uniformed police at his door, what does that tell us?
I'm pretty much resolved that my chances with him are through...and the sad thing is that this guy has the big bucks, that money to him is like ten bucks to us.
Damn shame. Its still a pretty boat from 50 yards away.....what would you guys do?
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Id really give the old F*** something to cry about, sorry for my harsh words but there is just no room in my world for people like that, its a scam and he should have to do what he needs to do to make the situation right! :evil:
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If it was me. I would have an attorney draft a letter. They will know exactly what to do. I always do this before i do anything. It will either get there attention or they will call your bluff. Most people, like yourself dont want to go through the hassle of litigation. After that point, depending on their response, make a decision. What county are they in? I may be able to refer someone to you or someone on this site may be an attorney? Having an attorney draft a letter will be a LOW cost to you or maybe even free. $100 tops.
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bdiddy, thanks, have inquired around Marco area for an attorney, no returned calls thus far.
Marco is in Collier County.
I need the meanest, baddest big-name attorney there....Perry Mason, if you will.
Good recommendation to draft a letter. Thanks!
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I'm surprised the police got involved in this since most of them would say this is clearly a civil case. Unless you count the damage the son did to YOUR boat after you had already bought it (if I'm reading this thread right). That could be grounds for a criminal case for you to pursue against the son. Other than that I would do what your doing and take him to court. I believe the maximum amount in Florida small claims court is $5000. good luck.
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No problem. Stuff like this sucks. I was successful with attorney letters in my last two incidents where i was taken advantage of and avoided litigation. Word to wise. Be very careful with attorneys. They can rack up a big bill on you quick. Use this a rule of thumb. Pretty much you are on the clock with them at all times. I emailed the attorney who drafted a letter for me to see if he could do it in Collier County.
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thanks very much for this.
The fiberglass guy(my friend) just finished his inspection. Hull needs complete rebuild. Engines MAY BE worth 6K.
What a f$*&'n nightmare.
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Sorry his wife is sick, Sorry his son is an a$$hole, sorry the old man is a pickle smoocher! Give me 6k of my money back or I will let my attorneys handle it. BTW Screw the freakin cops! They backed off cause his wife is sick and he started to cry. Give me a break! I bet he wasn't shedding a tear as the boat left his property. G even if you don't get anything back I think that you should make his life really miserable. Email him have an attorney e-mail him file papers in small claims court anything you can do to interrupt his life. You're self employed so you have time to screw with his life. I would call him at least once a week.
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What a bunch of BS - hopefully the guy at the parts store has the right "son" :oops:
So how handy are you G? Sounds like the hull is in fine shape, little sanding and gelcoating - maybe put the spray rails back on. You could open a commercial account at Harbor freight :pirat: Lick your wounds, dive in, do it yourself, mark it up to experience (again) and move from the ugliest to one of the nicest 222s in the area.
I agree that you should do whatever you can to make this guy's life miserable and not stop until he gives you half the money back at least. He's going to have to at least react or keep getting "bothered".
Another option is to cut the boat up and pile it on his front lawn before you change registration/titles :idea:
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Have been in touch with several of u guys about all of this. You've given great advice. I go out in the yard and look at it. Its beat to s#*t, but as you said Rick really not bad for a total rebuild. Bottom hull looks great. I'm fairly handy, good with epoxy and carpentry, not too scared.
Could run it as-is this summer. Then start the re-build this winter, maybe have her for next spring. Pour the transom, as Capn John suggested. New floor and stringers.
Right now, I'm just sick still. Feel like somebody stole my dog.
Don't even have the energy to think about the old... what did u call him Bump, ....a Picklesmoocher?
F him, the old thief. Don't really think he's gonna be entering the Pearly Gates.
And if I were him, that would be a priority.
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I looked at the pictures again and I think the hull is not worth it in that condition. I say, keep the engines,controls, everything you can salvage from the boat, try to get some money back and get yourself another hull and trailer. Hulls alone are worthless and there are plenty out there, who knows!! Maybe you'll find your dream boat . And it's probably the son that's the scum bag not the old man, maybe he doesn't even remember he has a son
If you can get something like 4k or even less back you should be able to find a nice hull and trailer. You don't want to loose more money
I'll be looking for you
Marc..
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Good point. No telling what he knows. The Lt. said his eyesight wasn't so good, asked him directly. Easy to give Paw the benefit of the doubt, or, he's the Patriarch thief. The truth lies somewhere in between.
Yep, could probably find another hull, start anew. Spoke with an Aqua rebuilder down in Tampa this evening, he also concentrates on old Sea-Vees. Asked him to join our board. He said he didn't care how well cared for, provenance, repute, etc., every 70's Aquasport out there needs a new tank, new stringers, new transom, new floor. All of them. Makes sense to me tonight after my glass guy came over. The transom to me was one of the plusses of the hull. not so after his tap test.
Now this of course doesn't apply to the old girls, the recent finds of members 170's and 19-6's that were dry-stored all those years. I thought I had the same thing. Guys, throwing myself out there to the rest of the board as a sacrifice. Don't be the trusting dummy I was. The story from the beginning you all know and have witnessed.
Gone this far, will continue to look. Dammit, guess I'm an Aquaholic.
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Dammit, guess I'm an Aquaholic.
Looks like you are, fortunately :mrgreen:
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FYI, I spoke with my attorney via email. He said he can handle Collier County and has a few cases pending there. He is with a new firm and from their website looks solid as a rock. He said he would do a consult and look at what you had for free. As i said, I would have him write a very direct demand letter stating what you want to recoup. You and him can figure that out. Find out what he will charge to draft a letter and wait for the response. I would not make any other moves until that demand is complete. I will send his contact info to you in the morning once i get to the office. I hope these guys do the right thing. Karma is a B*tch! Hopefully these guys come to their senses with some pressure.
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bdiddy, THANK you. Response and help is why this board is the best.
I'm overwhelmed with the out-pouring here of genuine concern and assistance....makes me feel like I'm not alone. And hey, this money is nothing to a man of means. But I'm a regular guy just like the rest of us, saved hard to pursue her.
These new ideas have got me fired up to see it through.
Thanks all.
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Hey Scott,
Keep what you have and rebuild from the ground up. Like the man said, they all need to be rebuilt anyway. I really don`t think anyone buy`s one of these old boats to flip and make money on anyway... We talked about this before; I would rather have $20K in a classic that that is a head turner at 40 years old and appreciating; than having $20K+ in a new chop gun, Euro ass, bloated cap, depreciating wanna-be hull, that everyone with two nickels can buy. She is less than what we had hoped for but she still has the pedigree and potential. Make an engine stand and start stripping her now... Get her into project mode and it will break the funk. The faster you start tearing into her the quicker you will be able visualize what she will look like when shes restored. GO FOR IT!!
Flying home today, I`ll call you...
Fitz
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Thank goodness. Brother Fitz is heading back home from Chine'.
Must be within radio range, the thought police are no longer un problemo.
Welcome home Fitz, we need you. Get on home safely.
Your AAA brethren.
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OK Scott, here's a little motivation for ya:
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Thanks John, can almost smell that poly resin curing now!
And thanks again bdiddy for finding a great attorney....spoke with him this morning, he has all kinds of great attorney ideas.
Sent the old man the pics shown here on the board to jog his memory, plus a letter reiterating his son's damage and demand for return/satisfaction. Has until Monday to respond.
Then gonna call out the big guns....Will, Cheatum, and Howe LLP, Tampa, Fl.
Gonna piss away mo' money....WTF, may as well go with what I know....
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g'luck Scott
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Thanks JJ.
Sent the old man by Fedex a cordial letter and 25 photos of the damage. Arrived at his place yesterday, he refused delivery of the package, said they had the wrong address.
Now I KNOW the old man knew about it all along.
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Amazing! Maybe we should introduce him to our friend Ann:
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PERFECT.....GREAT IDEA!!
KA-BOOM!!
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Yep, that pretty much nails it down that the old buzzard is a crook. :evil:
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didn't realize this post was that old sorry.
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That's alright. Scott (gran) likes to be reminded of it ever so often...tee hee!
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Well, this type of behavior does not surprise me. You guys know I'm a THT rat, and this type of thing happens all the time. I would imagine it's not just the boating world. If any of you have read the various complaints that make it to the forums about A1 Outboards, you know what I am talking about. It's unfortunate that some people will conduct business in this fashion, and it's a shame that they let things go for so long that the person "wronged" has to go and plead his/her case (yes, A1 has screwed (not literally) women as well as guys...) in a public manner in hopes that peer pressure will force an eventual end to the situation...
I was on Fish the Classic yesterday (Shamrock owner's site), there was a thread on bilge pumps under the motor, the mention of a low-profile pump (Whale Super-Sub) came up. Well, I just happen to have a brand new one out in the shop, been sitting there doing nothing for the last couple of years. Asked if anyone wanted it cheap, had one of the members PM me, sold. Now, he's not sending the money until tomorrow, but I already have the pump boxed up, the shipping label on it, and it will go out in tomorrow's mail, 2-3 day priority. That's the way internet purchases should be done. Now, granted, it's not a high dollar item. If it were, I'd probably wait until the money arrived, but the item would still be boxed and ready to go.
In the "case" that CB resurrected here, there are obviously many more factors involved than there are in selling a simple bilge pump. I also believe that Laz didn't help his situation by making the delivery a bit more difficult than it should have been. I also don't know if the agreed price was a $1000 for the boat, and then the delivery was thrown in for free, or if the $1000 included delivery. If not, I, as a seller, would have tacked on at least another $100 for fuel and wear and tear on the truck. But that is beside the point. That entire deal was flawed, but, in retrospect, there is nothing that Laz could have done about the way it transpired, other than what he stated he did...
When dealing with individual sellers on the net, well, the old saying, "You pays your money, you takes your chances" always applies. The majority of people who frequent forums such as Classic AS and THT are good, honest people. But there are always the few...well, you know what I mean!
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The sad saga of Miss Marco has finally reached closure.
You guys may remember that back in December Miss Marco was shipped to Coast to Coast Rebuilders in Port Richey. I paid the shipping in exchange for a livewell, seat, and seat back. The boat was free to them. The livewell was brought home by the delivery guy. Try as I may, they never would deliver the other parts. Month after month went by. In the end, the owner, Christopher Wolchok, ignored my phone calls and e-mails.
Fitz and I went there last Friday unannounced and got the seat top. The flip-back rest they didn't have, so we took another part in its place. Money-wise, it turned out okay. Thank goodness Fitz was with me...we took a chance, and it worked out.
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Interesting.
I have bought a livewell off him in the past. Always easy going with me.
Maybe I dont know the whole story here.
Josh
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You both are absolutely right.
When I look back on all of those months I waited....and waited...and was promised and promised...and then complete silence, wouldn't even take my calls....
And there is no question in my mind that would have NEVER gotten ANYTHING if it hadn't been for us going there bro. Thank you again for all of your help.
Gonna chew on this some more...that backrest sure would be a plus.
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He has called...we are in discussion regarding an amicable solution.
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Fellow Classic Aquasport Members, esteemed Moderator, Fearless Leader, and other moviegoers:
Spoke several times by phone yesterday with Mr. Wolchok. We have reached agreement on an amicable settlement.
I will call this morning a trusted third party to confirm compensation, and will post back.
Thank you all very much :thumright:
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Glad it is working out Scott :cheers:
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Thanks!
Mr. Wolchok has apologized, I have been compensated, and am fully and completely satisfied.
From the very first post there was no finger-pointing, mud-slinging, or slander in any way.
He said yesterday that the business end of things he did not consider himself great at. He liked the production side...from what we saw in his shop, they did good business, and produced good work.
Mr. Wolchok, thank you for making this right. The best to you in the future.
Per my pledge to you, this thread will be deleted.
Scott Rhodes
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Mod Edit: 16 December 2011
While fortunately our member didn't loose any money in this failed transaction, I include it here as an example of how someone can do their homework and still have bad results. Illustrates the worst in human interaction.
Went and looked this one today, only a few minutes from the house. Seems like a pretty solid boat, the 95' motor has a 98' powerhead on it with very low hours according the owner. He hasn't used very much, starboard fwd quarter has a damaged area on the cap where a dock apparently applied the rule of "a stationary object tends to stay stationary unless acted upon by a larger force" Nice enclosure, bottom paint, but not real heavy, would need to come off or be re-applied for appearance. Did not hear it run, the owner was not there, I just went with his permission to look the boat over. Nice trailer. Just thought I'd put it on here in case anyone may be looking?
http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2689889880.html (http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2689889880.html)
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Looks like a lot of boat for that price.
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Marc what did the fish box lid look like, looks like a 2 piece in the pic ?
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Marc what did the fish box lid look like, looks like a 2 piece in the pic ?
Why, yes it does :wink: Actually since he is selling the boat, I have asked him if he would like to swap with some $$ for mine. It would save me some work of converting mine, however, not sure of how, when or where his came from, it does not have the fixed center section, but the inside "cut edges" do have a lip glassed in for re-inforcement similar to the three piece style?? and the hinges are recessed in cut out areas (no non-skid) also like the 3 piece design. I wonder if this was a transitional design.? Bob??? Ever seen anything like that OEM?
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Marc what did the fish box lid look like, looks like a 2 piece in the pic ?
Why, yes it does :wink: Actually since he is selling the boat, I have asked him if he would like to swap with some $$ for mine. It would save me some work of converting mine, however, not sure of how, when or where his came from, it does not have the fixed center section, but the inside "cut edges" do have a lip glassed in for re-inforcement similar to the three piece style?? and the hinges are recessed in cut out areas (no non-skid) also like the 3 piece design. I wonder if this was a transitional design.? Bob??? Ever seen anything like that OEM?
What you are seeing below was OEM for 95.
Is that a 2 piece lid?
Is it hinged?
Catalog shot.
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94 catalog looks like a one piece lid (hard to tell).
Scott is yours 1 piece?
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Marc, Bob,
I remember all 3, the i piece was effin ridiculous to handle, a 4 foot long, 2 foot wide cored hunk of glass, very ungainly. Then we went to the 2-piece hinged, which was just fine by me. Removable for easy cleaning of the fishbox. Then we went to the 3-piece fixed, which actually I think was copied from Pursuit...
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So just wondering for the heck of it, my Osprey is a 96 model, solid lid?? if they were making hinged in 95' :scratch: Maybe the Explorers got them first?? who knows.
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Marc,
Really can't say I remember. 16 years and a few boats later, my brain is a little foggy...
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Man that thing would look good in my driveway! :roll:
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Marc what did the fish box lid look like, looks like a 2 piece in the pic ?
Why, yes it does :wink: Actually since he is selling the boat, I have asked him if he would like to swap with some $$ for mine. It would save me some work of converting mine, however, not sure of how, when or where his came from, it does not have the fixed center section, but the inside "cut edges" do have a lip glassed in for re-inforcement similar to the three piece style?? and the hinges are recessed in cut out areas (no non-skid) also like the 3 piece design. I wonder if this was a transitional design.? Bob??? Ever seen anything like that OEM?
What you are seeing below was OEM for 95.
Is that a 2 piece lid?
Is it hinged?
Catalog shot.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff108/r-berlin/006.jpg) (http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff108/r-berlin/007.jpg)
94 catalog looks like a one piece lid (hard to tell).
Scott is yours 1 piece?
Bob Mine is one piece, so it seems like they went two piece in 95 back to one in 96-97 then 98 or so three piece :scratch:
Marc are you able to get some pics of the lid, maybe we can use those as a guide to make a two piece from what we have.
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Marc are you able to get some pics of the lid, maybe we can use those as a guide to make a two piece from what we have.[/quote]
I have an idea :study:. I can cut mine in half, but along the cut edge I will glass in a support across the lid, to give support, sort of like a joist going across. That will create two flat pieces facing eachother, and I will use a stainless piano hinge in between, it will be almost flush with the deck. I think that will be the easiest way to do it. I wish had remembered the dimensions of the 2-piece lids at The Marine Connection when I was down there during Thanksgiving. I never knew there was a 2 piece hinged lid, I thought the only hinged lids were 3 pieces with the piece in the middle. For all I know I could have had the lids in my hands, but I was thinking I would need the middle piece and I didn't see any of that laying around, so I just dismissed the thought of buying the 2 lids. BTW, Pete is going to get some pics of his lids with inside details, so that should help. :thumleft:
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Marc,here are my lid pics,,the center section is about 5-3/4",each hatch is 28" on the centerline,the hatch is held in place by the 4 screws in the center section to remove hatch I just remove the 4 screws,let me know if you need more detailed specs..
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/fishboxlid001.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/fishboxlid002.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/fishboxlid003.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/fishboxlid004.jpg)
notice that the center section also has a lip that extends under the hatch for support
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Thanks Pete, that underside pic is what I wanted to see especially, if I make mine into a folding cover, I will probably eliminate the middle piece and just go with a piano hinge, If I made the middle section, it would involve twice as much glass work because each side of the middle section would require the bracing pieces also. Thanks again
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Thanks for the pics Pete :salut:
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You guys might wonder why the underside of Pete's lids are green. No, it's not from mildew, they are made using the VEC process, http://www.compositesworld.com/articles ... d-painting (http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/vec-shield-eliminates-gel-coat-and-post-mold-painting), whereas Scott and Marc's lids are laid up in the traditional manner...
Just a little tidbit of info...
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Looks like he's lowered the price by $500. That would be a great deal if it could be had for $8500
http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2745592868.html (http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2745592868.html)
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Looks like he's lowered the price by $500. That would be a great deal if it could be had for $8500
http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2745592868.html (http://pensacola.craigslist.org/boa/2745592868.html)
It can be, probably less than that. He seems to be pretty motivated to sell, and honestly, he's getting closer to what the boat is worth in its current condition. It needs a lot of TLC, the bottom paint needs to be re-done or stripped, and the glass repair on the fwd stb side of the cap is not a DIY job unless you are skilled in glass and gel coat application.
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I'm interested in that boat. I obviously like the WAC models and I'd like to have something a tad larger than my 200 and this one is set up the way I like.. Of course it's far away so I'd like to try and find one around here to look at to get a feel for the layout. Is there any known common problems with this model to look out for? Of course that would be a long tow to get it here... yeah it's in FL but the Panhandle is long!
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go for it wing! :cheers:
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Wing if your down this way you can look at mine, 2 feet shorter but it's the same other wise and i know where they add that 2 ft i've looked at them in the past :salut:
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Talked to the seller about it. Marc is goone do me a HUGE favor and get a closer look at it for me. Thanks Marc! :salut:
Looks like I could be on my way to being a repeat offender AS owner!
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best of luck wing! you will love the extra room! :cheers:
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Go for it wing :thumright:
And Marc is going to look at it for you? Gee, that's great.
IMO, it's just like you're looking at it for him...or me looking at it for you...or the boys looking at it for us, etc.
He knows boats.
Marc discovered/ bought a pristine 222 CCP last winter for JDupree here...and JD couldn't be happier.
Great work guys.
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Yeah great group of members on here! :cheers:
I hope I can pay it forward sometime.
I have been searching up the net for pics and such of the 245 Explorer. I'm trying not to get my hopes up though in case there is a deal breaker.
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Good news...still a buyer's market.
If Marc is willing to go forward in your stead...all the better.
To the extent that this remains a buyer's market....a sincere low offer isn't an insult. Times aren't great.
Green money talks. The rest walks.
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found this on ebay.....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Aquasport- ... 5d31427132 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Aquasport-Boats-245-Explorer-Review-Specs-/400258396466?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d31427132)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/KGrHqNokE63r1M7FBOyRrKeh7w60_3.jpg)
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found this on ebay.....http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Aquasport- ... 5d31427132 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Aquasport-Boats-245-Explorer-Review-Specs-/400258396466?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d31427132)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q223/Pete1681/KGrHqNokE63r1M7FBOyRrKeh7w60_3.jpg)
That's her, 2 feet shorter than the one here, but a heck of lot cleaner :lol: This one is going to need a "Lewis" cleaning like he did to his girl, and then a little glass work on the cap. The engine busted off and ran great, good compresion numbers across all 6, (115 +/-) the starter didn't want to stay engaged long enough for a peak out on the compression tester, but it was heading for 120 on all cylinders. Started before one revolution of the flywheel I'd swear. Wingtime, has the pics, so we'll see. Overall, a good boat I think, but definitely a good easy going winter project, to have her sweet looking by the springtime. :salut:
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Hats off to Marc for doing an unofficial survey of her for me! Thanks Marc! I have over 30 pics he took that I keep pouring over. It needs some good cleaning for sure... I don't thing the bilge has been cleaned in years... all brown and yucky in there! The usual black snodgy stuff on top of the fuel tank... The motor looks really good! Lewis paging Lewis for your cleaning tips! Now i just have to sleep on it and make a decision. I'll post a pic of the glass damage to get everyone's opinion on it.
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Here's some pics of the damage to the cap... Looks like it hit a dock or something with something sticking out:
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/1995%20245%20Explorer/S4300247.jpg)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/1995%20245%20Explorer/S4300248.jpg)
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/1995%20245%20Explorer/S4300249.jpg)
Purdy motor:
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/1995%20245%20Explorer/S4300251.jpg)
Here is a link to my album of all the pics on my photobucket account: http://s80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/1995%20245%20Explorer/
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This boat has alot of potential, need some wiring and the guy didn't shy away from hitting things but that's all fixable if the price is right, and that motor does look clean, Wing you got some thinkin to do.
Marc just curious, did the guy mention why it has a 1998 motor on it ?
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Nice job on the "survey" Marc!Lots of cosmetic issues there,but could be a good boat,if the price is right. :salut:
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Wingtime,
The glass damage is not a difficult repair, as it is not into any nonskid pattern that has to be matched and blended. This is a relatively easy fix. Removing the cracking stickers and compounding/buffing is just a matter of a few weekends and a lotta cold beer. Good luck.
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Group W your right I'm not too worried about fixing the glass. I have done it before grind it..notch it fill N gelcoat it.. then sand and polish... and like you said it could be in a much worse location.. The graphics are no big deal either... I have removed and installed plenty of vinyl graphics over the years.. I have a vinyl plotter so I can cut my own or maybe I can score some tournament master graphics for marine surplus! The bilge is nasty and WAY below what my standards are but I'm sure it will clean up... The question is what can I get it for.
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Marc just curious, did the guy mention why it has a 1998 motor on it ?
CH my '92 has a '91 engine on it.
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This boat has alot of potential, need some wiring and the guy didn't shy away from hitting things but that's all fixable if the price is right, and that motor does look clean, Wing you got some thinkin to do.
Marc just curious, did the guy mention why it has a 1998 motor on it ?
Scott
No history on why the newer powerhead, it was on there when this owner bought it. The mid-section sticker (according to the owner's mech) which I forgot how to decode the OMC rhyme... indicates the engine is a 95' model, but inside on the looper's exhaust hump it has the original OMC sticker that says model year 1998. Maybe a powerhead replacement under warranty??
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Well, I slept on it last night. I'm not 100% sure if it is what I want to do or not. It is the size and layout boat I want with the all the accessories I could wish for with the exception of electronics. Everything I would like to add to my boat such as a top, enclosed transom, trim tabs, hydraulic steering etc. is all on this one. DO I take the risk with the $$$ outlay and then try to recoup as much of it as I can by selling my 200XF in a crappy market? It is in rough shape but nothing I can't fix in the off season. This is what was swirling around in my head last night.
I'm going to take the pics of the damage to a good boat repair facility today to get their opinion and estimate on the repairs to the damage. At least I can take that number and take it off his asking price. He's asking 9K but I'm thinking a good bit south of that due to the condition and my expenses to go get it.
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Well, I slept on it last night. I'm not 100% sure if it is what I want to do or not. It is the size and layout boat I want with the all the accessories I could wish for with the exception of electronics. Everything I would like to add to my boat such as a top, enclosed transom, trim tabs, hydraulic steering etc. is all on this one. DO I take the risk with the $$$ outlay and then try to recoup as much of it as I can by selling my 200XF in a crappy market? It is in rough shape but nothing I can't fix in the off season. This is what was swirling around in my head last night.
I'm going to take the pics of the damage to a good boat repair facility today to get their opinion and estimate on the repairs to the damage. At least I can take that number and take it off his asking price. He's asking 9K but I'm thinking a good bit south of that due to the condition and my expenses to go get it.
Don't get the ping pong ball going back and forth in your head, the rig needs a lot of TLC, and some "more than TLC" work, along with around $400 trailer work. Yes, it could be a very nice boat, just what your looking for. Offer him 7K cash, and leave it at that, he takes it or not, if it's meant to be it will happen, if not, another one will be along shortly. I know it's hard to not get wapped around the axle when considering a purchase of this type, so catagorize the repairs, set your $ limit and move on. Just my advice
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Solid advice Marc!
found this 1996 245 w/ twin 150' for sale... Wants big money at $19,400. Notice the single fish box cover. Seems like they took a step backwards in 96. http://www.portmansfieldrental.com/Page_2.php (http://www.portmansfieldrental.com/Page_2.php)
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How much does he want for that one?
Here is another one in Savannah. I actually saw this one a couple of months ago. Same idea (lots of cosmetic stuff) with the twin 150s.
http://aboatersparadiseinc.com/boatAqua96.html (http://aboatersparadiseinc.com/boatAqua96.html)
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Well, I slept on it last night. I'm not 100% sure if it is what I want to do or not. It is the size and layout boat I want with the all the accessories I could wish for with the exception of electronics. Everything I would like to add to my boat such as a top, enclosed transom, trim tabs, hydraulic steering etc. is all on this one. DO I take the risk with the $$$ outlay and then try to recoup as much of it as I can by selling my 200XF in a crappy market? It is in rough shape but nothing I can't fix in the off season. This is what was swirling around in my head last night.
I'm going to take the pics of the damage to a good boat repair facility today to get their opinion and estimate on the repairs to the damage. At least I can take that number and take it off his asking price. He's asking 9K but I'm thinking a good bit south of that due to the condition and my expenses to go get it.
Wingtime, just remember cosmetics are a minor issue compared to the mechanical end of the boat. If the boat is what you want, and the price is right, you can worry with cosmetics as you go along.
As he did for me, looks like you got a great appraisal from Marc :thumright: I know the decision is tough as it was for me having to consider making the trip from NC to Pensacola.
My CCP that I made the trip down there to get was cosmetically below my standards, but I have slowly transformed her into a good looking boat. I made sure the mechanical end was where I wanted her and then I have "chipped" away with cosmetics.
My advice to you would be if it is the boat you have been looking for, offer what you think is a good price and if they bite "go get her" :!: I hope this helps considering I was in a similar position. One thing is for sure, If it had not have been for Marc's detailed appraisal with pictures, I would have never made the trip.
Good Luck :!:
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"jdupree" One thing is for sure, If it had not have been for Marc's detailed appraisal with pictures, I would have never made the trip.
Good Luck :!:
Thanks for the advice JD! Marc has been a tremendouse help with this. :salut:
I made him an offer on the boat and we are $500 apart. So we are close. He's gonna think about it and we will see what happens.
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[quote author="jdupree" One thing is for sure, If it had not have been for Marc's detailed appraisal with pictures, I would have never made the trip.
Good Luck :!:
Thanks for the advice JD! Marc has been a tremendouse help with this. :salut:
[quote="wingtime"] I made him an offer on the boat and we are $500 apart. So we are close. He's gonna think about it and we will see what happens.[/quote]
Alright... somebody post the "eating popcorn emtoticon" :lol: :lol:
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Alright... somebody post the "eating popcorn emtoticon" :lol: :lol:
Don't forget about our Resource Forum viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6273 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6273)
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You guys are killing me LOL (http://smileyicons.net/s/540.gif)
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Wing,
At $500, I think you guys can come to an agreement...BTW, that "ding", in the infamous words of many a THT'er...will buff right out!!!
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Wing,
At $500, I think you guys can come to an agreement...BTW, that "ding", in the infamous words of many a THT'er...will buff right out!!!
I would think so. It would be foolish for both of us not to. That is so true about THT... "oh it's cherry with a little dock scratch near the bow" LOL
Do you know Fred Van Wagner? That is who I went to for advice on the repair... his words "that's just a tad more than cosmetic damage!" LOL
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You get this thing and I will walk you through making her pretty! :thumright:
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Wing,
At $500, I think you guys can come to an agreement...BTW, that "ding", in the infamous words of many a THT'er...will buff right out!!!
I would think so. It would be foolish for both of us not to. That is so true about THT... "oh it's cherry with a little dock scratch near the bow" LOL
Do you know Fred Van Wagner? That is who I went to for advice on the repair... his words "that's just a tad more than cosmetic damage!" LOL
Fred DEFINITELY knows his chit! You know as well as I, he is very respected in our area... :thumleft: :thumleft:
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Good. You're $500 apart.
JD gave a great commentary regarding Marc's appraisal. Same as he reported the day before they went down for his. He wouldn't have made that trip without trusted accurate advice.
If you're $500 apart...sit tight. It'll be yours by the weekend.
The rest of us are watching the clock like kids on Christmas morning :santa:
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Surprisingly, I haven't heard back from him yet. HMMM :scratch:
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Surprisingly, I haven't heard back from him yet. HMMM :scratch:
Patience.. Grasshopper... :lol:
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Has the guy had any other offers?
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He claimed to have turned down or had one of the same amount I came up to. When we spoke we left it at we would think about it and get back to each other.
It looks like he relisted it sometime around 8:00 tonight. The date of the ad did no change but it is now on today's listing between two ads placed before and after 8:00 PM. So I doubt he has any other offers.
Master Marc, your too much... I knew were good people, and your choice in dogs proves it! Here's my best buddy Tucker dog:
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/Pets/PICT0609.jpg)
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This place has gone to the dogs :lol:
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z96/circlehooked/puppies006.jpg)
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He claimed to have turned down or had one of the same amount I came up to. When we spoke we left it at we would think about it and get back to each other.
It looks like he relisted it sometime around 8:00 tonight. The date of the ad did no change but it is now on today's listing between two ads placed before and after 8:00 PM. So I doubt he has any other offers.
Master Marc, your too much... I knew were good people, and your choice in dogs proves it! Here's my best buddy Tucker dog:
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/Pets/PICT0609.jpg)
"Yeah, I'm busted, I got my duck...now go on with ya, I'm trying to do my job...SLEEP!!"
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He claimed to have turned down or had one of the same amount I came up to. When we spoke we left it at we would think about it and get back to each other.
It looks like he relisted it sometime around 8:00 tonight. The date of the ad did no change but it is now on today's listing between two ads placed before and after 8:00 PM. So I doubt he has any other offers.
Master Marc, your too much... I knew were good people, and your choice in dogs proves it! Here's my best buddy Tucker dog:
(http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j196/wingtime/Pets/PICT0609.jpg)
WOW!! That is too wierd... Maggie has the same exact duck, lays on the couch the same way... they could be twins :shock: of course any stuffed animal that has a squeaker in it, must be surgically removed, with the stuffing on the porch... once removed, everything is good.
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Man those puppies are cute :rendeer:
Wing, that 500 bucks is tearing him up. When his wife gets wind of it, your phone will be ringing off the hook :lol:
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One word.... ROADTRIP! :cheers: :cheers:
He called this morning and he accepted my offer. He is going to keep his electronics and anchor rode and chain. Sounded like a good compromise to me! Man that was a long wait for that call! Woohoo!
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Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :santa: :santa: :santa: :santa: :santa: :santa: :santa: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer: :rendeer:
Christmas IS a little early and it came in the form of a new boat!!!!
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Weather is supposed to be good this weekend...mid 60's and sunny. Perfect for packing wheel bearings. :cheers:
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Congrats Wing. :cheers:
Start a new thread in the Rebuild forum and document the ol' gal's resurrection. You can move pics you have over and after a while we'll close out the original classified.
Good luck and kept posting progress pics. :thumleft:
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Congrats :cheers:
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Way to deal wing!! Congrats and Merry Christmas!!
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:cheers: :cheers:
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Awesome, Wing!! Big time congrats!!!
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Congrats! :cheers:
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Good for you - Congrats :cheers:
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Thanks guys! And hats off to Marc! Yup I'm excited! I like road trips too! So this will be fun! I'll have my tablet with me so I can post pics from the road!
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Alrighty then... thats 2.... my new alias... "The Broker" or just "Broke" :lol: :lol:
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Alrighty then... thats 2.... my new alias... "The Broker" or just "Broke" :lol: :lol:
:rendeer: :rendeer:
Have fun on the trip wing...post us up mon :wink:
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Well the seller just called me... yup he sold it to someone else up there. People nowadays have no honor or integrity what so ever. Thanks for wasting our time @#$%#$#@$! :evil: :thumbdown:
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No way....
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What a "Richard Cranium" :thumbdown:
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yeah I called the little p#$$#$ back and gave him a piece of my mind and told him he was dishonest and not a man of his word etc. etc. etc... he was like "well I got $1,250 more for it" good... hope you know what you can do with it.. :twisted:
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Well at least he called before you headed up there, we might of had to bail you out of jail then.
So much for Christmas Spirit.
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I tell you what. No never mind, can't effin swear here...
But don't women buy DOUCHES? And do they come in BAGS? :x :x :x
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OH Dammmmmm, I just got back to the house... that frickin POS, and he's full of $hlt, nobody was going to pay him that kind of money... someone may have bumped your deal a bit, but that says it all about his integrity (or total lack of) man I'm sorry Wing... I know you are disappointed, but maybe its a blessing in disguise? Carma is a you know what, and he has a bagfull coming his way someday.
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You know what? That pisses me off.
It's a new world guys...forget a gentleman's agreement....screw the other guy first.
wing...let's count your blessings bro. Think this through...a guy like that...look at the big picture.
He's screwing someone else. No telling what nightmares you avoided.
Disappointing in the short term...a blessing in the long term.
Count your blessings.
JMHO.
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This had me so riled up I had to get out of the house, so I took my girl out for a beer and a steak dinner to help me chill out.
I was speechless when he first called to tell me the news so I didn't know what to say to him. After I sat down and it sunk in I decided now was was he gonna get off that easy so I had to call him back thank him for wasting mine and Marcs time. Along with e few other things that I forgot I said.
Circle your right I'm glad he didn't wait until I was on my way up there either because I would have kept on going up there with an open can of whoop A$$!
Marc you hit the nail on the head about his lack of integrity, heck the ad said there was nothing wrong with the boat yet it had a huge hole in the bow! With that in mind who knows what could have been hiding in that boat that he didn't disclose. Yeah I'm disappointed but in the end I'm better off. I was really looking forward to meeting you.
My girlfriend and I were talking about karma too and he will get his own someday.
Gran your right he had to screw somebody if he really did get what he claimed.
Thanks for the support guys! :salut:
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Brother, we all hurt for you, feel for you, and your bitter disappointment is shared by your good buddies here.
Sucks right now...but the end result is...and right here at Christmas...you have been BLESSED.
And I truly believe that.
Bottom line: the guy is a crook. Let's pity the poor ba%t^rd he suckered.
We'll never know what that boat was really about....and count our blessings we'll never find out.
Think about it, as if it were next summer...and you're digging out a "great shape" gas tank. Or, re-repairing the hull bottom damage before it jumped up and crunched the port-side gunnel. Or spending 10K plus for new power.
There are plenty more out there, with HONEST owners, ready to sell a nice boat at a fair price.
Keep the faith.