E-Tec HP Options - Concensus

[Anonymous]

I've been told by Tommy West @ Hammerhead Marine that a 150hp will push the 22-2 45mph.  The E-Tec 150 actually pushes 165hp at WOT according to Bombardier - and has more torque than most 150 four strokes.  The difference b/w the 150 E-Tec and the 175 E-Tec is $1k - is it worth it to go with the 175 or stick with the 150?  I'm leaning toward the 150.

[scott_gunn]

45 mph would be plenty for me.  What's the weight difference?

[Anonymous]

All the 60 degree E-Tecs weigh 427 lb (150hp, 175hp and 200hp).

[steved]

I've got a 1982 22-2 CCP with its original Mariner 200hp engine - new complete lower housing and SST prop this year (had a close encounter with an unidentified semi-submerged metallic object - maybe a dive bottle).  The engine gets its full 5,500 rpms at WOT but it doesn't get anything like 45 mph.  There are lots of other factors that can influence things but my feeling is that 45 with a 150, even a new E-TEC, is unlikely.

However, maybe other members can give us input.  So how about this - let's have your model, year and max speed - using GPS reading speed over ground (not depth finder reading speed over water).  We can put it in a chart and see what we get.

[Anonymous]

Frank Chunn claims to get 45mph with his 150 Yam 4-Stroke on his 22-2 replica.  I think your CCP is substantially heavier than the CCC?  I don't know.

[steved]

If Frank Chunn says he gets it, I believe him.  There's quite a lot of difference between the 22.2 original modified Vee and the 222.2 CCP in weight. The orig model weighed in at about 1,800 pounds but the CCP was about 2,200 - both figures from NADA.  That's more than 20% and my boat has a custom built removable sun deck that covers the entire boat from the console to the bow that adds another "ton" of weight.

Any other confirmed speeds at WOT?

[Anonymous]

Every 22-2 that Tommy West has refurbished and repowered with 150 he says can get 45mph.  I think he said even with a console tower - which Chunn has.  If I can get 45, there's no need to go bigger unless you're planning on throwing 8 people aboard and towing 4 skiers - which I'm not.

[OldSchool]

i got a 245 hp motor and only get 35-36 mph wot cruise at 26mph gps numbers

different animal the inboard is

[Anonymous]

i got a 245 hp motor and only get 35-36 mph wot cruise at 26mph gps numbers

different animal the inboard is

she's a beaut!  you can probably pull a house down with that '76

[OldSchool]

thanks,
know what the boat planes out the same time as with 5 guys or by myself...i like it alot, just need a paint job...

[Poon-Time]

I talked to Tommy myself at Hammerhead the other day and he said he is rigging mostly with 200-225 four bangers.  He didn't say anything about MPH numbers, but I would strongly disagree that a 150hp yammie four stroke is pushing the 222 45 MPH.  Before you chose the 150 I would want to ride in one myself just to make sure it jumps up on plane fast enough and doesn't take 30 yards to get up.  I myself will be rigging my 222 rebuild with a minimum 200hp and maybe a 225.  I have also looked into the E-Tech's and am thinking about them as well.  I also like the weight difference they have.  But, I am the firm beliver that if the 3 E-Tech motors weigh the same it is better to have more ponnies than less.  When that thunderstorm comes a rollin on in you can get her up and move it out.  

In all seriousness I had once a boat that was under rated.  ONCE!  I won't do it again.  You will not like the results.

[Seadog]

I agree that the 150 4S is probably underpowered on a 22-2. The 200 Yamaha HPDI is a popular choice and the two guys I talked too with 22-2's set up this way say that it is a little more power than they need. I'm leaning toward the 200 e-tec 'cause of the lighter weight than the 4S and the service schedule. Maybe the 175 e-tec to save a $1000.00. Have yet to see a 22-2 with a 200 4S but would be interested to see how those rigs do with that much weight on the tail end.

Here's a list of Outboards and weights from their websites:

H.P.  4S/2S   Pounds
               
MERC:    
175        OPTI         431
               200        4S         650
               200        OPTI      497
               225        4S         650

YAMAHA:
 150        4S         466
               200        4S         583
               200        HPDI      475
               225     4S         583

HONDA:  
150      4S         478
               200      4S         600
               225      4S         600

E-TEC      
150      2S         419
               175      2S         419
               200      2S         419
             
SUZUKI
200    4S     580
225    4S     580

[Poon-Time]

Seadog, I am not sure where you got the weight numbers on the E-Tech for the 200 2S.  Here is their link to the site.  They state the 200 25" shaft 60 deg at 427 pds.  Alot less than the competition.  This is the biggest reason I am looking into them.  Check it out.

http://www.evinrude.com/en-US/Engines/2005/E-Tec/Saltwater.200.175.150/Specifications/S200/

[Seadog]

Your right!  Sorry...
I changed it in the thread.
They list the weight of the 200 DHX/HCX at 524 pounds and the 200 HSL at 509 pounds.

[Anonymous]

I guess the only way to figure it out for sure is to test one out.  Tommy at Hammerhead does not sell motors so he really shouldn't be bias one way or the other.   In my conversations with him, he stated there's no need to go more than 150 (i.e. it gets out of the hole quickly and tops out at 45).  I saw a 22' Parker Pilothouse the other day with a 150 Yam 4-stroke the other day down in the keys?!?!  I had a 2004 150 Yam 4-stroke on my last boat (186 Bone Boats Cape Island) which weighs 1,600lb dry and sported a pretty deep "v" - that thing topped out at 52mph with a full tank and two people - I'd think that a slightly heavier boat with less of a "v" can get 45mph.   I'd be interested to see how many more mph you'd get with a 175 - if it's the difference of only 3-5 mph, why pay the difference? - unless it can pop you out of the hole quicker.

Enough said - let's post some real eye-witness accounts of a GPS reading on a 22-2.