Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Osprey Style Hull Rebuilds => 191 Rebuilds => Topic started by: Trigger on May 06, 2017, 08:05:03 AM
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First of all I want to say hello to you all. This is my first Aquasport. I picked it up last fall with the intent to fix and sell. I have been reading about them and went through almost every post on here and other sites and now I fell for her. I will be keeping it.
So here is my rebuild thread that I will update along the way. I will be needing all of your help through this process so thank you in advance.
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From the front.
The transom seems solid but the cap has some separation. I will remove everything from the inside then make a plan.
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She looks to be a great canvas to create your masterpiece.
As you progress, if you follow the instructions in this link, posting pix will be much easier with no size of file size limits
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=12725.0
It'll be a great project to watch and learn from. We're here for you if you need any help.
Welcome aboard!!
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Thanks Rick. I will definitely be looking for advise along the way.
I got everything removed from the boat.
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So after taking off that aluminum brace thing, I saw some separation from the cap and the transom. My original thought was to cut out the wood leaving both front and back skins in place and pour Seacast. Now I'm thinking of cutting the entire transom out and removing the floor to get a look underneath.
What is the best way to cut out the floor? Cut off wheel? Can it be reused?
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Depends what your plan is. Is the sole soft? Does the sole need to come out anyway?
The usual approach is to go around the perimeter and cut into the floor leaving a ledge that you can lay the new floor on top of.
If you are planning to gut the boat, then a cutoff wheel would work, at the correct angle.
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There are some soft spots. I think the foam is waterlogged and under the casting deck is rotted so I was thinking the deck should come out.
Would a circular saw be a better option?
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The saw would get you access faster and if you decide later, you can cut off the ledge and lay the new floor in hullside to hullside. You also need to decide if you are going to keep the trough. The trough was a way to keep the bilge sealed from the top side and still allow you a way to get the cables to the aft.
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I decided I won't try to keep it. Here is what I did with a chainsaw to try and get the wood out. (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/825/UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_9c2.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=15761&title=unadjustednonraw-thumb-9c2&cat=825)
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I think I will cut the entire transom out. How much of the skin should I leave?
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Took the deck out
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Stringers look like they're in good shape.
If you're going to cut out the transom leave about 2" of the outer skin. You'll need to cut about 18" of stringers out in front of the transom, be careful and you can re-install them.
Can you tell if there is a thin liner going up the hull sides, inside?
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Yes it does appear to have that layer you talked about. How would you suggest I remove them? It there a way to remove some of the (liner?) it is the aqua color wall. It is separate from the hull.
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I'm hoping one of the FB owners that did a rebuild had the liner on theirs and how they removed it.
I'm thinking you'll need to carefully cut it back 18" also and then gently pry it out of there. I think Hawgleg removed his - check for his rebuild in the FB rebuild forum.
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I was hoping you wouldn't say that
I got the casting deck out today also. I got a lot don't today.
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It may be easier to pop the whole length of the side liner out, since you've gutted her. The stringers look great. I think I would take a pressure washer to the inside and get a good look at what you have and what you have to do. Take a lot of measurements if you are going to try to keep it original. Next is the cap removal? Going to have to keep the shape intact so plan that out.
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I really don't want to remove the cap. Can it be done without taking it off? I am a one man operation and limited on space. It would be very difficult for me to remove, store and maintain shape.
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Another question.
I have 30 feet of 1708 and 3 gallons of polyester laminating resin left over from another project. Can I use the poly resin?
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I really don't want to remove the cap. Can it be done without taking it off? I am a one man operation and limited on space. It would be very difficult for me to remove, store and maintain shape.
You don't have to remove it but you need to be able to tie into the hull sides from the transom, not to the liner. So the liner will need to be cut out or removed in one piece. You may be able to get the cloth under the cap from the transom. Otherwise you'll need to cut back about 18" of cap "carefully" so you can re-attach it.
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Another question.
I have 30 feet of 1708 and 3 gallons of polyester laminating resin left over from another project. Can I use the poly resin?
Sure, as long as it's dry (hasn't been laying open to the air for 3 years or something like that ;-) )
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Another question.
I have 30 feet of 1708 and 3 gallons of polyester laminating resin left over from another project. Can I use the poly resin?
Sure, as long as it's dry (hasn't been laying open to the air for 3 years or something like that ;-)
No its only a few weeks old. :woohoo:
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I was nervous about the poly vs epoxy resin debate. I don't want to waste $160 worth of Polyester laminating resin.
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I am not familiar with laminating resin - I thing we had a Flatback rebuilt with it though - wouldn't harden for like 5 days so he could keep doing wet on kinda wet. Search the FB rebuild forum for Capt. Matt and his rebuild. He explains it.
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Laminating resin doesn't have wax in it. That is the only difference. I wasn't sure about epoxy vs poly resin. This will be a costly build so I want to save where I can.
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I got a little more work done.
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Nice!! - I think I would screw some pieces of wood to the top outside lip of the shoe box joint that the cap makes to the hull side a few feet from the transom and have it come up high enough that you can lay a 1x2 or 1x4 across the hull edge to edge and screw it to the wood on the sides. This will keep the hull from deforming while you have the transom cut out of it.
An example https://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=9991.0
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I think this should do. I put the piece I cut out back in and strapped it to hold.
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Slow going for now.
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Looks like most of the foam was dry?
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It is all soaked and heavy. I really didn't want to remove it all. Time consuming work...
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Before you re-foam the stringers I'd lam a strip of 1708 across the top in several places so they don't deform as the foam expands. Maybe every 2-3 feet.
Also now, in the back of your mind, is the time to start thinking if you'll have a tower or t-top and plan the reinforcement points. If you can stay inside the stringers that makes it easy.
Also need to take a p-washer to the inside and get a good look at the current laminations and stringers.
Looks good though.
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I decided to cut out the liner then finished removing all the foam.
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What should I use for the dam for glassing the transom? Here are some more pictures.
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Trigger, sorry no one replied to your posts until now. I think you need to beef the transom skin up from the inside (this will happen while putting in a new transom core) and use some good "putty mix" for the edge on the outside and then lay some 3/4 ounce CSM to shape it and then some 6 or so ounce cloth to to make it smooth and not build it up too much. Putty mix is a mix of resin and cabosil and chopped fibers. - that lower edge needs some beef added. I'd wait to fill/shape the lower edge until you have the transom in.
For the "dam", I'd use a sheet of melamine and screw from the outside into the 2" lip. If you look at the rebuilds section there are a lot of examples (my rebuild too) of doing this.
I decided to cut out the liner then finished removing all the foam.
Looking at the pic below - first off - nice work and the stringers look to be in great shape.
My concern is that you have not locked in the shape of the transom area = see the strap drooping? Do you still have the piece you cut out of the transom? If so, add it back long enough to get the structure right and then add blocks to the side of the hull, at the cap, and then lay a 2x2 or 4 across and screw into the blocks. You must lock this shape or you're creating a new hull. Oh - btw that is a killer storm you're looking at - where are you located?
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in a different area - take a look at the stringers where they cross the forward bulkhead, you'll notice the vertical glass does not extend thru the bulkhead, probably the worst place not to have the stringer reinforced. My hull, also a 191, had evidence of pivoting along this bulkhead. After pulling the foam I extended the glass to bridge the gap thru the bulkhead.