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Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Family Fisherman/Dual Console/Sport Rider Rebuilds => Topic started by: Fishhead on July 31, 2020, 02:03:30 AM

Title: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on July 31, 2020, 02:03:30 AM
Finally after fruit season done time to start the boat rebuild from New York. Fuel tank sender turned to powder, tank looks nasty replace in order with new hoses. Please tell me the bracing behind the tank wasn’t a factory option. Tag on tank is 86 gallon. Deck is coming out for soft spots and fill in IO hole in deck.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on July 31, 2020, 11:09:18 PM
Opening up the deck tomarrow
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 06, 2020, 10:56:11 PM
Check out the tub that housed the stern drive engine that’s above the bilge to trap drainage water below it. That will need fixing.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 07, 2020, 12:36:55 PM
Looks like it had a small bracket on it?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 07, 2020, 03:50:58 PM
Hi rick, yes just a single bracket, looks like I’ll be into the transom next. I will have my try at Coosa.
I see all the rebuilds take out the foam between stringer and gunnel do they put it back in or do without? I see if water gets in that area it would never drain with foam.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 07, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
One more question, do you hole saw  random test holes half way down stringers to check the foam, and what is normal Coosa board thickness you use? Thanks guys
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 08, 2020, 06:22:31 AM
Ahhh, so the boat was never an i/o, just had the liner for it. Are you going to cut that out?
You can use a hole saw to drill exploratory holes in the stringers.  I think you'll find only a little bit of the foam wet in the aft, if any, unless the boat was sunk.  I would guess the foam in the outboard side of the stringers was for sound deadening and flotation.  If you're going to remove it I would drill holes and glass in some pvc pipe in the aft end of the stringers so water can get to the bilge. I think I would put foam back in the stringers and the outboard side again. 4lb in the stingers and 2 lb for flotation.
Did you get the gas tank coffin with the boat?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 08, 2020, 08:57:00 PM
Yea it was a IO, I brought it back from S.C. the Owner took off the 150 merc 2 stroke controls etc.
 Don’t know the year the IO was pulled and bracket installed but I’m sure the transom was bad at that time.Looks like the inner liner on the transom is all tied into the tub and tub tabbed to stringers and deck. Tub is on the way out tomorrow, not serving any purpose. After transom I’ll build some knees.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 09, 2020, 07:13:41 AM
Sounds like a plan.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 14, 2020, 07:59:30 PM
Well making some progress but slowed down with the 100 plus weather, transom was a rotten mess. Cut out prior hack job on outer skin glasswork, don’t look like they feathered out and laid glass, or why made hole so big. What is the white stuff they used to bed the glass under the tub,and is a chipping hammer the best thing to use? I’m about ready to break out my #15 chipping hammer stuff is tough.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 15, 2020, 06:06:42 AM
It's probably the same bonding putty that was used everywhere to stick the liner down.  The transom inner liner and engine tub was part the total liner that was lowered into the hull into that bonding putty. Any progress is good progress.

Don't forget that it is easier to upload pics to your member gallery (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=290) - that way you don't have to manually size them because the gallery automatically sizes them for best viewing.  There is also no size limit like there is if you attach the pics. .
Follow the instructions here http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=12725.0
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 16, 2020, 10:42:42 PM
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I noticed a horizontal crack above drain plug, not sure if I damaged it removing wood or not. Should I  v it out and fill with epoxy and glass or just cut along crack and make hole lower?

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I have more grinding to do, I want to lay 3 layers of 1708 down inside of transom , is it best to melamine on inside over hole and do my repair on outside first, then pull melamine and lay the 3 layers on the inside then the core? I’m thinking that way I only have to fair one side? What do you guys think is the best route. Thanks
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 17, 2020, 06:15:47 AM
Couple questions:
Are you going back with the bracket the PO had on it?
What is the general overall condition of the outside transom skin?
What are you going to use for coring on the transom?
Have you thought about the drain holes going out the sides of the hull?  I think you'll end up covering them as you do the 4/8/12" overlaps of the first 3 layers of 1708, plus the coring, plus the next 2-3 layers of 1708 as you build a strong transom.
Are you planning to cut the stringers back some more to allow the overlap room - you should allow 18" of work room.

Crack:  I would lightly grind the outside to remove the bottom paint and take a look at the crack.

As I think about filling the i/o hole I think, after you clean up the inside of the transom to get to bare glass, I would bevel the inside of the hole down to about a 2-3" bevel all around.  Then I would put some melamine across the outside of the hole and patch the hole with increasingly bigger patches of 1708, wet on wet - probably going to need 4-6 layers to build it up to the thickness of the current transom skin. This will also fill in the current center drain plug.

I'll let you think about this.....
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 19, 2020, 03:53:48 PM
Thanks Rick  1 yes going back with original bracket
                    2 outer transom skin look good
                     3 I have 2 sheets 3/4 marine ply for core and 3 sheets for deck already
                       4  I will cover up and plug the side Drains hoping the deck coming up a inch I can
                            still do the same as before but above the waterline still using a sump like before
                          5  yea I need to cut stringers back more.
                              Sounds like a good plan filling the hole from inside first I will go that route
                               Again thanks to you and the site a wealth of information to go on
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 19, 2020, 04:49:22 PM
What were the holes in the side(s) used for, the i/o raw water in/out? If I had to do my redeck design over again I would plan a 3" deep, maybe 2 inch across gutter across transom with the scupper holes deep in the gutter. Even if the scuppers are under water a bit, you have 3" to handle the water in and out.
What I ended up with was level with the deck and there is always stuff in the corners, etc. I designed it, I have to live with it.
Since you're adding knees to the transom I assume you're adding a fascade across the back to hide all that.  Have to figure out how you're going to drain the blood off your deck efficiently.

Also plan for a change in the low point in your boat:
Here is a link to where I explain the thought of the PVC pipe
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg133124#msg133124

Here is a link to where I show what is actual problem
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg133556#msg133556

Here is a link to Hawgleg's rebuild that shows the PVC pipe installation to keep a drain at the new low point of the boat
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg134262#msg134262
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 19, 2020, 07:10:32 PM
Thanks Rick  those side holes were the deck drains they are just cut off in the pic.

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I’m going to reuse the original rear fascade filling in the hole from the engine. Also filling in the area from IO breather vent holes that look like cup holders. The rear deck will tab up 90 degree maybe 5 inch high and under lap the fascade. 
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 11, 2020, 06:54:04 PM
Grinding around the drain plug area had a lot of voids and bad lamination and after the dust settled this is what I have. The crack on the outside traversed across the top of the drain hole. Looks like this area was added, you can see the plugged screw holes along the bottom.

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Moving forward looks like that area should be cut out , and stay with original plan of filling hole inside on melamine on outer skin. Any other ideas thanks
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 12, 2020, 06:44:04 AM
That is weird looking. Not sure how that was even needed???   I agree with cutting it out - that area doesn't even look attached on the inside.
I would grind/taper the area around the outdrive hole gradually from about 3" away from the hole down to a sharp edge at the hole.  That will help when you start filling the hole - looking at the thickness of the transom it looks like it will take about 3 (or 4) layers of increasingly sized 1708 patches to regain the thickness. Then when you lay the 3 layers of 1708 across the inside of the entire transom, it'll be nice and stout.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 12, 2020, 11:04:53 AM
Thanks Rick, I can’t figure out what was going on there. I knew I was getting thin grinding but I couldn’t find good glass  to stop at. 
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 27, 2020, 10:56:43 PM
Well after a crappy last month of heat waves  , smoke and ash from fires, then losing my dad  I finally got on the boat job. Good way to keep busy got to many projects going. Got the hole covered up, took 6 layers of 1708

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layed out another 4 layers to cover transom , surprising how much it stiffened the transom up.hope to get core done soon

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 28, 2020, 06:13:20 AM
Looks like some nice clean work  :thumleft:
Sorry to hear about your Dad.  :03:
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on October 03, 2020, 12:11:08 AM
Thanks Rick, Question, the bracket on the boats a D&D. Do you guys that have brackets that are slipped have anodes on them or rely on engine anodes for protection. Thanks
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: mshugg on October 08, 2020, 05:26:49 AM
Yes, you definitely want a zink on an aluminum bracket.  My Armstrong bracket came with one instaled.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on October 08, 2020, 08:31:51 AM
On my B-Bracket platform, the zinc was mounted outside and underneath the flotation chamber.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on October 12, 2020, 12:37:57 AM
Thanks guys, I will install a anode its cheap insurance. Changed my mind again bought a couple sheets of 3/4" coosa,  did the one sheet at a time thing working by myself.

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poly and csm  set the second sheet and back to 3 layers of 1708 and epoxy covered it up. Glad to be moving on

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Time to get the foam out of stringers, wet at bottom put a couple extra hole saw holes broke it up pushed it out the back hope to make progress this week

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 12, 2020, 07:27:12 PM
Looks good. The stringers seem to be in good shape.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on October 12, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
rest of foam cleaned, the areas I punched new holes in stringer tops had very empty foam voids. Think they foamed this one on a Friday afternoon before a three day weekend 

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 13, 2020, 05:48:38 AM
It may be too late already but don't forget the pipe I mentioned in #14.
I'm not sure how you'll accomplish the same results now.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on October 30, 2020, 11:32:19 PM
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As much digging as I did getting the old engine tub out I figured needed to put back some glass back so it got 3 layers of 1708. Drain pipe through stringer goes in tomarrow been waiting for weeks for foam. Started cutting off lip on transom inner skin and filling in cutout

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I have some 1/2 inch divynacell I would like to use as core to back the whole inner skin. is thickened epoxy traweled on foam and set on inner skin with a board on top and weight best way to do it? any other ideas? The 2 layers of 1708 that filled the hole was epoxy Thanks
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on October 31, 2020, 06:14:27 AM
That'll work. Just like I backed my casting deck lid and also the backing on the front portion of my cap.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on November 02, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
Thanks Rick Got the drain tubs and knees in and tabbed up this weekend

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Started making a couple bulkheads And positioned them. Looking to tab to stringer and knees. Any thoughts ?

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on November 07, 2020, 10:40:14 AM
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10 gallons of 4 pnd foam
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on November 07, 2020, 04:03:33 PM
Bulkheads look good.  Yeah those tall stringers take a lot of foam.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on December 06, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
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Added a couple gussets to bin to help support battery storage
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on December 06, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
Looking to add 1/2 " material to stringer tops and over tank casket lip . The casket will be held up by that and wrap glass over stringer sides into tank casket.  Tank and fuel will be 500 pounds . Is pvc ok or ply be stronger? What would be material of choice?

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on December 06, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
Looking good.  The 1/2" will get you up flush with the lip around edge? Do plan to support the bottom of the casket? I think that would be wise. Do you have plans for anything that will secure to the stringers, like some kind of table, etc? The tank casket will be attached to the topping on the stringers by glass run from the outboard side of the stringers, up and over the 1/2" stringer topper and then down into the casket? What type of decking are you going to use?  Maybe you'll have scraps to do the top of the stringers?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on December 06, 2020, 10:52:19 PM
thanks Rick, I need to end up about 3/4” after the wrapping up of glass over the top I may be able to start with 5/8”  Yes your correct a strip running along top of stringer overhanging casket that will screw up to it and wrap like you explained. The bottom of casket never sat on bottom hull was always suspended. I have 3/4” ply for deck. I’m not reusing the old tank deck cover, its getting decked over this time solid with new tank.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 12, 2021, 08:28:59 PM
Have you guys that have done some rebuilds found stringer tops that are not on the same plane as the deck is?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: mshugg on January 13, 2021, 02:32:16 AM
Have you guys that have done some rebuilds found stringer tops that are not on the same plane as the deck is?

That’s not unusual.  The stringers were designed level, but there could be a range of heights when they were bonded in with the putty and tabbing compensating for any variation.  This wasn’t an issue, because the liner/deck were suspended from the hull/deck joint with bonding putty taking up any variance in height.

As for suspending the tank, I’d be inclined to use ply, since that’s what you’re using for the deck.  PVC    can get brittle over time.  Whichever way you go, it would be wise to encapsulate the ply in glass.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 21, 2021, 10:58:37 PM
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Thanks , yes I stuck ply down. Been spotty getting good temp days to get work done.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 21, 2021, 11:42:07 PM
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Check out the cuddy bulkhead on port stringer. I backfilled the gap between bulkhead and stringer with thickened epoxy and fibers so it’s supported. Today finished wrapping most of the ply. There is some cracking of the lower left  corner of cuddy door frame you can see. I have exact same thing on my 19.6 also same side. Seems like something wrong with cap on that side to not sit the bulkhead on stringer when they dropped it in?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on January 22, 2021, 07:02:18 AM
Nice clean work.  What are you using to wrap the plywood? Looks thick.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 23, 2021, 09:13:05 PM
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Thanks Rick I used 3 layers of 1708 got a little more floating material in to go but again bumping into rain next week and field work getting in the way.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on January 24, 2021, 07:01:17 AM
I figured you'd be working in that big warehouse you built.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 24, 2021, 04:29:08 PM
I’m outside but under a cover, one thing I’ve never heard anyone say is “ I built to big of shop”
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on January 24, 2021, 06:40:15 PM
 :85:
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 13, 2021, 11:37:44 PM
After a long layoff of boat work and a weird cherry harvest im finally back at it. Installed some pads on port stringer to get plumb with dec(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/05A41EBE-A3C8-4384-8C8C-3890AB25A56A.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22015&title=05a41ebe-a3c8-4384-8c8c-3890ab25a56a&cat=500)k, poured 8 gallons foam , installed 10 gallon freshwater tank. Need to foam tank in, install fuel line pvc pipe and start deck

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 14, 2021, 06:20:04 AM
Getting closer.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 15, 2021, 03:39:45 PM
building rear deck have this ordered for each side corner

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was going to make a 1" deep gully to to put them in now kicking around just recessing them in deck corners just below flush with deck.
Maybe a little nicer not having a 3 1/2" wide gully to step in.What do you guys think?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 15, 2021, 08:05:08 PM
this is what its looking like. Talking myself into a gully I think will work better

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Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 16, 2021, 06:32:51 AM
What I've found out is that water has a mind of it's own as far as ponding in corners and places you'd never though it would. You're probably better off designing a place it can't resist going into - like a trough.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 23, 2021, 01:04:40 AM
well made a shallow trough,whole deck has couple layers of 1708

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/27CB2341-864A-403A-A53F-46AA1F0C1539.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22050&title=27cb2341-864a-403a-a53f-46aa1f0c1539&cat=500)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/EEEA6A70-FEEB-4CC9-8F05-80666F868412.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22052&title=eeea6a70-feeb-4cc9-8f05-80666f868412&cat=500)

5200 waiting to cure

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/DD2C645D-5713-4EA0-BA4E-4F5F269C08D9.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22051&title=dd2c645d-5713-4ea0-ba4e-4f5f269c08d9&cat=500)

tearing out rat nest
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/97C3DA45-7E15-4276-8A7D-C5CAAA806E55.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22066&title=97c3da45-7e15-4276-8a7d-c5caaa806e55&cat=500)

few more spots under deck need attention

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/EB58A2A5-4687-41AC-AAF6-BBE839CDB209.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22068&title=eb58a2a5-4687-41ac-aaf6-bbe839cdb209&cat=500)

starting to look like a 222 cc cuddy

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/A6230044-6E5E-4F58-875E-79B6AFBA1A11.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22067&title=a6230044-6e5e-4f58-875e-79b6afba1a11&cat=500)




Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 23, 2021, 05:40:27 AM
Lots of progress. :tu4: Are you converting to a CCC?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on August 24, 2021, 09:20:25 PM
No Rick, staying a FF. Dropped the tank in today. Trying to keep at it
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 05, 2021, 08:19:02 PM
Got the tank in, put a couple stiffeners on the cover

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/9574E2CE-F228-4EBE-AE62-11DCBD2DA65D.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22102&title=9574e2ce-f228-4ebe-ae62-11dcbd2da65d&cat=500)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/DE83955F-AC46-40E1-9BA8-E586ACFEC571.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22103&title=de83955f-ac46-40e1-9ba8-e586acfec571&cat=500)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/FFD8BAA2-1718-4192-ABFB-21BD99908EFF.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22104&title=ffd8baa2-1718-4192-abfb-21bd99908eff&cat=500)

I plan on 2 layers of 1708 on the deck, 2 1/2 pound sinkers dropping on the deck is the norm with some of my crew. Plan is for gelcoat.Will 2 coats of gel smooth out the 1708 or will I need to lay some 6 oz. clothe on top of 1708 before gel?
Thanks

Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on September 06, 2021, 12:19:33 AM
Fishhead,


My unprofessional opinion would be to use epoxy (because you chose plywood instead of a composite board as deck coring) as your resin for the floor and therefore eliminating Gelcoat as an ideal finish coat. With that being said, Mat would be the best option to eliminate glass pattern and prepare for finish application…. but because it’s the deck, I assume you are going with a sand grit or similar non skid texture? I’m a huge fan of Gelcoat as finish in boats because of its hardiness and longevity and personally going that route on my projects. However, I am sticking strictly to composite (coosa etc.) Not saying that I don’t believe plywood to be a very suitable material but I wouldn't be sealing it with anything other than epoxy if I was using it.

Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 06, 2021, 05:47:18 AM
Looking good FH!! What did you coat the bottom of the 3/4" plywood with?  Did you soak the edges with poly?
As for finishing the plywood, 3/4" is still going to flex a little (not much though) depending on the person walking on it, causing some cracking. What is your plan for applying the gelcoat - dump gun? Roller? For the lamination schedule, if you add a layer of 3/4oz csm down first and then lam the 1708 weave side down for both layers you'll end up with the csm layer "up" so there will be no weave to cover.  Then apply the gelcoat. Then glass bead in the wet gelcoat for non-skid?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 06, 2021, 10:56:05 PM
Thank you guys, I used 2 layers of 1708 under the whole deck with poly. Yea Rick wet out edges. I have 5 gallons of vinylester for the deck top. Happy with the way the deck feels already. That sounds like a good idea Rick, I will go that route have some csm and 1708 already. I haven’t thought about the way to apply the gel yet but want smooth, I’m throwing on some of that imitation seadek. Will rolling gel get it done enough for what I’m doing?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 07, 2021, 05:20:19 AM
I don't think you will get smooth with a roller. If you were going to use glass bead it wouldn't matter.
Here is a pic of when I rolled out the hatches just before applying glass bead - you can see the stipple and this was with a small foam roller
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG1662.JPG) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13331&title=cimg1662&cat=646)

Glass bead applied
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG1663.JPG) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13332&title=cimg1663&cat=646)

Swept off
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG1665.JPG) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13334&title=cimg1665&cat=646)

The last light coat of gelcoat rolled on
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG1667.JPG) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13336&title=cimg1667&cat=646)

Tape removed
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG1673.JPG) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=13345&title=cimg1673&cat=646)
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on September 07, 2021, 02:33:43 PM
Thanks Rick that looks great, just ordered a cup gun and gelcoat. Even vinylester resin on west coast has supply issues but was able to get some.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on September 07, 2021, 03:17:01 PM
I mixed gelcoat and duratech 50/50 and sprayed with a Harbor Freight $20 spray gun (1.8mm tip) to spray the water runs and lid edges - came out smooth and pretty.
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on November 11, 2021, 12:18:28 PM
grinding again, lot nicer in 60 degree weather should finish today

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/241F6DD1-1461-487F-8AC2-29101FC79B89.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22225&title=241f6dd1-1461-487f-8ac2-29101fc79b89&cat=500)

deck top got 2 layers of 1708 and csm on top with vinylester  really solid with the support spans i had
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on November 20, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
decided to roll gelcoat. Used duratech 50-50 and their gelcoat. 3 layers sanded between coats, base should be good for fake seadeck on top

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/C32302EF-96F6-4C35-B3CB-77B076AD1171.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22243&title=c32302ef-96f6-4c35-b3cb-77b076ad1171&cat=500)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/844C2CDE-924B-491F-A420-8A8822D1D651.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=22242&title=844c2cde-924b-491f-a420-8a8822d1d651&cat=500)
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on November 24, 2021, 06:53:51 AM
Came out nice. :great02:
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on November 25, 2021, 01:06:08 AM
Thanks bob, I’m gathering materials  primers and am going with quantum products from advise here. I plan on soda blasting d&d bracket, has anyone used quantum’s strontium chromate primer for aluminum before? Looks like their epoxy primers can overcoat it. Not sure if Trilux 33 can go over their epoxy primers though. Maybe there is a better bottom paint for bracket  for aluminum?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 17, 2023, 12:56:45 AM
Been windy with a lot of rain for us since new years  Little more work to do on gunnel but it survived

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/29865784-5892-41D0-B147-DED8532C3F0C.jpeg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=23105&title=29865784-5892-41d0-b147-ded8532c3f0c&cat=500)
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: RickK on January 17, 2023, 05:09:59 AM
You guys have had it bad these past few weeks. So, what is propped up use to be the roof of a shop/carport?
Title: Re: 22 ff rebuild
Post by: Fishhead on January 17, 2023, 12:34:31 PM
Yeah rick , lots of flooding around area. It was a RV carport about 30 years old posts held up near side and ledger boards on far side were lagged into frees. Wind blew trees down and pulled carport down. Finished removing all trees and stumps.
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