'78 19-6 FF Scupper Issues

[RickK]

[jethrosixxx]

Thanks!  I sanded and sanded and primed and sanded and painted and sanded and painted!!

First time I dropped her in the water an old feller coming in on a new skiff said "You did a heck of a job on that old boat son."  Made me feel like a million bucks!!

[RickK]

Looks good - Did you redo the transom?  Maybe it's reflection but looks like the glass is telegraphing through?

[jethrosixxx]

Looks good - Did you redo the transom?  Maybe it's reflection but looks like the glass is telegraphing through?

No, it came like that.  "Textured."  The guy I bought it from said he did it because when he first started the Seacast he boogered everything up before someone told him to just use a chainsaw between the inner and outer gel coats.  He also closed in the transom opening by about a foot on each side.  I going to Bondo it all smooth but I ran out of time and energy.

[Flatfish]

I have an '87 Osprey 200 that has the same "trough" in front of the transom, with two scuppers.  Sitting at rest at the dock, the scuppers are about a half inch above the the outside water level.  But if I am standing in the stern of the boat, the scuppers go under and the Atlantic starts to flow in.   This was just annoying when I trailered the boat to the water, but since last fall, I keep the boat in a slip 90 percent of the time.  I am just not comfortable with open holes thru the hull near the water line when I am not on the boat.

Like others, I have installed the brass and rubber plugs from the inside in the two scuppers.  I have also removed the old automatic bilge pump with the float-type switch and installed a new Rule automatic bilge pump in the bilge. This is the type of pump that switches on automatically every few minutes and if the pump senses a load on the pump motor, it keeps pumping till the load (water) is gone.  It has worked flawlessly so far and you always know it is operational because you hear it come on every few minutes to test for water.  My gas tank hatch is not sealed, so rain water gets into the bilge. Rainwater also accumulates in the trough at the transom, but I use a hand bilge pump to remove it.

When I pull the boat out in a week or so for spring maintenance, I am considering drilling a hole in the bottom of the trough, installing a brass sleeve in the hole (like the scuppers have) and using one of the same brass/rubber plugs to control water flow trough the hole into the bilge.  When the boat is at the slip, I will leave the hole open so rainwater will drain to the bilge and be removed by the pump. When underway I will plug the hole.  This way I do not have the open scuppers and there is no rainwater in the trough at the transom.  The back of the boat is always dry.

I also have dual batteries under the console and an automatic battery charger when the boat is at the slip.  I am also considering reinstalling the old bilge pump as a higher, secondary pump in case the first bilge pump fails. This way, it will take a series of failures for the boat to sink at the slip.  Walt.

[RickK]

Welcome aboard Flatfish  :!:  :!:
Are you connected to shore power while in the slip?  Maybe a solar panel to keep the batteries charged?

[jethrosixxx]

Maybe a solar panel to keep the batteries charged?

speaking of solar panels, what's the skinny?  I've read the 1 amp trickle charger doesn't really work and the 5 amp panel needs some sort of gizmo to keep the battery from discharging.  has it ever been definitely stated on classicaquasport.com what really does work?  now i need to do a search!!

[Flatfish]

Rick, I have shore power at the slip. It plugs into a Guest five amp, dual bank battery charger that is permanently mounted in the boat console.  Even when the boat is on the trailer in the driveway I can keep the batteries charged. It is one of the best things I have ever put on a boat. Batteries are always charged and ready to go. No more wondering and messing with portable chargers.  Even with the boat in the slip, I dont plug in the shore power unless I think I may be away a few days.

Dont know about solar chargers, but I see a lot of them on sailboats at the marina.

Thanks for the welcome, Rick.  Sure wish we had this site when we did the cosmetic restoration and repower of the boat five years ago.  We certainly would have done some things differently, based on what I have read here. When we pull the boat this month for the spring maintenance, we will take some pictures of the boat and try to post them.  We plan on getting an estimate to install a bow dodger also.

[jethrosixxx]

Thanks for the info FlatFish!  The "marina" I'm using has floating piers - and that's it.  No electric and no water.  A 19 foot boat on a floating pier for $660 for 12 months storage (includes off-season trailer storage) is unbeatable in the Baltimore area.  Anywhere else wants at least double that.  On top of it it is 1/3 mile from my house, in a no wake zone and a stone's throw from a decent restuarant on the water and two more on the road!  Today was freezing and damp in Baltimore and I am itching - I mean itching! - for spring!!!

[Coverhill]

For those of you who are using the "one way" scupper flapper valve assembly,
that came on my 1988 17 ft Osprey, as of April 2012 a replacement assembly
can be obtained from Boat Owners Warehouse, a chain of marine supply stores.

These are listed in the index of their 2011 catalog but missing from the index of
the 2012 catalog, although they do have them in the store. I bought 4 of these
assemblies in April 2012 (at a cost of about $4.50 each) and have installed two
with the other two being held for "next time". The assembly pictured here in the
photo is exactly 2 3/4" in diameter (of the white plastic retaining ring). The
assembly has two rubber parts, one the "one way stop" and the other being the
"flapper". So long as the rubber remains pliable they have worked well for me
over the years. I do carry a couple of rubber plugs that I can use from the inside
of the transom for those times when I have extra load in the rear of the boat.

The "3M" 4200, which is also shown in my photo is to put into the screw holes
that mount these scupper valves to the outside of the transom, sealing those
screw holes so that water doesn't work its way into the transom and cause rot;
a simple but important preventative measure, much easier than installing a
new transom some years down the road. The "4200" WILL ALLOW you to remove
the screws later.

[CTsalt12]

In mine the scuppers only take on water if there's more than one person standing in the stern, and I'm 180 lbs.   Something is not right if you're scuppers take in water wit no one in the boat.

Get the one way plugs, mine don't work completely anyway though.  And don't stress about having the open hole, that's the beauty of an AS, completely self bailing.  Just be careful if there's trees near your slip and leaves or other debris could get into the hull and clog those drain holes.

[Curious]

When I recently replaced my transom, (NidaCore pourable transom compound), I considered filling in this trough in the stern:



with some of the Nida Core and moving the scuppers up level with the main deck.  I haven't had the boat in the water yet so I don't know how it's going to sit but the scupper holes are in that trough and below the old water line:



So I assume that the scuppers would be under water and the trough wet 99% of the time.  I decided against filling the trough because I think the Nida Core would have just added extra weight.  I don't understand why the stern is set up this way but my plan is to get it in the water and re-evaluate how it sits.  I also have no idea if the boat will sit differently with the wet, heavy wood replaced by 12 or 13 gallons of Nida Core at 7 pounds per gallon.  Either way I'll probably end up with the ball scuppers.

[RickK]

Boy, both of those pics look like a different boat in each. The aft portion doesn't seem the same - I'm confused - sorry.

[Curious]

I posted the second pic just to show the location of the scupper holes below the water line.  You are probably confused because in the second picture there is a well installed in the stern that was screwed into the transom.  I removed it to open up the stern to see what I was dealing with and also to be able to do the transom rebuild.  I am still debating whether to screw it back in place or not but I'm leaning toward leaving it out because it's in rough shape.

In this picture you can see the well up towards the bow.  I had been dry fitting it while debating whether to re-install it or not:

[RickK]

Those scuppers are definitely low on the transom. There are plenty of FF owners here - wonder if they're all that low or if you have a custom one.