RickK's 170 rebuild

[Capt. Bob]

Having had it both ways let me say this.

It was nice having someone pass me the nozzle and return it to the pump. Doesn't always happen that way though.
Climbing in and out, in my case was not a problem but still an additional chore. K.I.S.S.

Thing is this. You already are doing the console fill so you know first hand if it is troublesome or not.  
You also know filling from the side (with the 230).

Spilling gas at the BP ain't no big deal. Spilling gas at a marina could lead to heartburn.
Better on your deck than in the water but...

Fillin' without spillin' ain't that hard, still.....

You've had it both ways, what works best for you? Remember, you're the one filling the tank and routing the fill.
If life is anything, it's a compromise.

Good luck.

[gran398]

Having had it both ways let me say this.

It was nice having someone pass me the nozzle and return it to the pump. Doesn't always happen that way though.
Climbing in and out, in my case was not a problem but still an additional chore. K.I.S.S.

Thing is this. You already are doing the console fill so you know first hand if it is troublesome or not.  
You also know filling from the side (with the 230).

Spilling gas at the BP ain't no big deal. Spilling gas at a marina could lead to heartburn.
Better on your deck than in the water but...

Fillin' without spillin' ain't that hard, still.....

You've had it both ways, what works best for you? Remember, you're the one filling the tank and routing the fill.
If life is anything, it's a compromise.

Good luck.

CB, good thinking.

But getting to the nitty-gritty....if you were rebuilding a 170...would you choose gunnel or console fill?

Loaded question....but Rick says he wants honest input.

To me....since we're cutting the stringers....may as well make some improvements.

[Callyb]

My 2 cents on the fill and vent... I would do go on the gunnel. The fill and vent were in the console on mine and the fumes alone drove me nuts, not to mention the mess from overfilling.

On another note, those stringers look awesome! Are you going to foam them before or after you put them in?

[Capt. Bob]

But getting to the nitty-gritty....if you were rebuilding a 170...would you choose gunnel or console fill?

Having actually had both, I prefer the gunnel fill for the exact reasons I listed.
One handed operational ability (for us friendless types), less physical work required for access (great reason for old guys) and the innate ability not to spill fuel all over myself.

Loaded question....but Rick says he wants honest input.

Agreed so....
If I were rebuilding or had rebuilt a 170, I would tend to offer input on how I accomplished getting the fill over to the gunnel while allowing the rod storage. I'm not sure how this is done but I'd bet there are members having faced this question who do.

[gran398]

I was thinking about that earlier Bob.

On most of our boats, it is a "box" configuration built into the liner.

Rick, for kicks and giggles, how about posting some pics of the starboard side forward, hull and gunnel cap.

[RickK]

On another note, those stringers look awesome! Are you going to foam them before or after you put them in?

Thanks - hope they work
I will fill them with foam.  Have a lot more to do before I get there though.

[RickK]

I was thinking about that earlier Bob.

On most of our boats, it is a "box" configuration built into the liner.

Rick, for kicks and giggles, how about posting some pics of the starboard side forward, hull and gunnel cap.

Look on page 29 and 30 - does that help? http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php?ppuser=68&cat=500&page=29

[RickK]

CB, good thinking.

But getting to the nitty-gritty....if you were rebuilding a 170...would you choose gunnel or console fill?

Loaded question....but Rick says he wants honest input.

To me....since we're cutting the stringers....may as well make some improvements.

I didn't say it had to be honest  :P

[RickK]

Spent some time putting a couple stringer sections together. Cut one edge square as best as we could and then inserted the next section edge inside the cut one with a little spacer under it a few feet out, and traced the edge and cut it.
Then we had some unequal lam where they joined so we drilled some pilot holes and then screwed the stringers to the plywood to keep them close.  Then I lam'd some 3" 1.5oz and 6" 1708 to join them - I wanted to do one more layer of 12" 1708 but my screw was in the way  .


Today I unscrewed it and scruffed it up inside for the next layer. I then used the form to brace the joined sections so I could grind down the outside knowing I will need to add more glass once in the boat. I probably need to add a layer of 1800 or 1808 to get that biaxle strength.  Anyway, the visquene leaves a semi-ragged surface because you can't get the wrinkles out as you're rolling and such. The trade off is that it's VERY easy to get out of the mold and is easy to grind down with 40 grit flap.
Ground the outside and then flipped it and lam'd the inside and put it up in the boat. Still need to add another 3ft to the end of it to be complete.




I lam'd up another stringer today and need to make one more.  If anyone locally wants these forms let me know.  Otherwise if you want to make the forms - the inside top is 5.5" across and I cut 15 degree angles on the sides of the top piece and brad nailed the 12" sides to the top.  I then added bracing on the ends to keep it in form.  The other form I made one side @ 15 and one side at 90.  If I had to do this all over I would make a 15' form and then I only have to make 2 of the stringers instead of 5. s:idea:

[gran398]

 

Back to the gunnel fill....on page 30 there is a pic of the console removed....the tank is still there.

Looking at the forward port hull side....is there a little room between the front of the rodholder insert and the casting deck?

If so, that seems a logical spot.

[RickK]

Nope - the liner is almost laying on the hull at that exact point.  I think the best approach is try to snake it just a little forward of that. 
It has to be on the port side though - see the orientation of the fill tube?


Have to wait and see though.

[gran398]

Gotcha. Reckon you could go up through the casting deck where you're talking about....then you'd just have a short cover to build.

[RickK]

No cover - slide it up between the liner and the hull.  

[gran398]

Super duper

[seabob4]

I am late to the "fuel fill and vent location" party, so....


Gunnel mount!!!  My vote!