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June 30, 2017, 08:03:45 PM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #45 on: June 30, 2017, 08:03:45 PM »
Is the sender receiving the same power source as ignition?
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July 02, 2017, 10:47:40 PM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2017, 10:47:40 PM »
No, I guess I didn't - how to I connect to that?
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2005 Yamaha 70 two stroke

July 03, 2017, 08:30:34 AM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2017, 08:30:34 AM »
No, I guess I didn't - how to I connect to that?

No sure what you mean by this so...

If you turn on the key and the gauge moves (and you stated it did) then it is wired to the ignition, that is it receives "switched" power (the ignition key is the switch). If you have several gauges, they are usually wired as shown below.


Unless you rewired the gauge when you did the new tank install, you should be good but.....

If the gauge is receiving constant power (not switched) because it is wired directly to the battery then it will be a constant drain on the system. That stated, your description of its function doesn't indicate that.

Reviewing how the gauge functions, it receives power when you turn on the ignition (key). The needle moves in relation to the amount of resistance to ground in the circuit. This resistance is governed by the sender mechanism in your tank. You have (I'm assuming here) a reed type (aka WEMA) sender which uses a float to control the variance in resistance. Float at the top creates the least resistance (tank is full) and the gauge needle is indicating a full level. Float at the bottom offers the most resistance (tank empty) and the gauge indicates an empty level.

With that understanding, wired through the switch (ign. key) you will not be drawing power through the gauge with the key in the off position. Did you try tapping the gauge?

Understanding how the gauge works could indicate a malfunction with the gauge itself but before you remove and replace the gauge, again I suggest you check all connections. If you remove all the connections on the back of the gauge, it should read empty. I'm sure others here know more about the makeup of the gauge but I believe that it has two magnets inside. Mag 1 is a constant strength (?) that pulls the needle to empty while the other, mag 2 is an electro magnet that works off the resistance addressed above. The less resistance to the current supplied increases the magnetic strength and pulls the needle away from the other magnet. If the needle is sticking or mag 1 isn't as strong as it once was, the needle may not fully return to empty when you cut power (hence the suggestion to "tap the gauge"). Again, you will not be drawing current at this point if wired as shown above.

How about some pics of the gauge when the key is off and then on.

Good luck. :thumright:
 
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July 05, 2017, 04:06:58 PM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2017, 04:06:58 PM »
I don't know what I was thinking - I connected it to the nav lights. How do you access the power from the ignition harness? Looks like it's all factory and I'm now sure what is the best way to go about it. The gauge works properly except it is always on - as in always showing the amount of gas in the tan.
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2005 Yamaha 70 two stroke

July 05, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #49 on: July 05, 2017, 04:39:48 PM »
Does this sound right? It looks like there are spots to connect snap connectors- so I should splice into the yellow or the blue?
79\' 170
2005 Yamaha 70 two stroke

July 05, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #50 on: July 05, 2017, 11:12:04 PM »
I don't know what I was thinking - I connected it to the nav lights. How do you access the power from the ignition harness? Looks like it's all factory and I'm now sure what is the best way to go about it. The gauge works properly except it is always on - as in always showing the amount of gas in the tan.

I see you have a yamaha.  The tach harness is a set of wires wrapped in black rubber/pvc, with colored pigtails on either side and a yellow and blue pigtail in the middle.  Refer to the schematic below.  The red arrow is pointing to the tach harness.  One side hooks to the ignition harness, the other side to tach.  Black is ground, Green is tach signal, Blue is light, yellow is power.  Each of these wires on the tach side have an additional 3 female bullet connections.  Tie in your fuel sender power wire to yellow, fuel sender ground wire to black.  Making these connections powers the fuel sender only when you turn ignition ON.

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July 06, 2017, 06:55:31 AM
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Re: 1979 170 fuel tank replacement
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2017, 06:55:31 AM »
Thanks Jason - I see those - I think I have it now.
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