Classic AquaSport
Aquasport Model Rebuilds, Mods, Updates and Refreshes => Center Console Professional (CCP) Rebuilds => 200 CCP Rebuilds => Topic started by: bdtsr on January 02, 2009, 09:59:32 PM
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Good evening all. Well my friend and I started the new year with a bang I guess. We picked up a 1978 20 center console through Craigslist. I think we got a good deal. The only draw back is the soft floor around the console but that's all ready figured out. The transom is solid. Helps if you work for a fiberglass guy! This will be easy compared to some of the stuff we've done. I have a 2003 Merc 90 2 stroke to put on it for now. I wanted to have something more economical than my 23 Trophy with a 225hp carbed Johnson for close in fishing. My friend wanted to get away from a 4 person partnership. Our plans so far are:
Install the Merc 90
Repair the floor and other damaged areas
Replace the missing cleats and hawse pipes
Rewire everything
Pull the tank cover, remove, clean and inspect tank, install new fuel lines, reinstall tank and cover and seal
Redo the teak
My question for the moment is, what's the difference between the 20 center consoles (CC, CCP)? I've seen a difference in consoles but nothing else. I'll post some pics soon.
Thank's Brian
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Welcome aboard Brian :!: :!:
Here (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showgallery.php/cat/572) is a good source of info on the differences in the models.
Basically, the older Ospreys have the 12 degree deadrise, shallow sides and are designed for inshore fishing. The CCP came out later and added a hull with 20 degree deadrise and deep sides giving a solid boat for both inshore and nearshore fishing. Read the brochures - full of "good stuff".
Again, welcome aboard.
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Welcome to the site! How about some pictures? We love boat porn!
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Here's something!
(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww158/bdtsr/Aquasport/HPIM1939.jpg)
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Great find! Good luck. You might find that your 90 HP is a bit challenged trying to push the CCP hull, while a Flatback might be no problem. A 150 HP engine would probably be fine with a 175 HP being the ideal. In any case, the 20 CCP is one of the toughest boats ever made!
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You've got a classic Aquasport 200 CCP. I really needs 150 HP to work well, and many have 200s on them. Check out jdupree's posts - he has a nice 200 CCP and lots of info on his restoration/upgrades. :wink:
Feel free to ask questions as you work on her - someone on this site will probably have the answer! :scratch:
See ya on the water and good luck!
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Thanks guys. I know the 90 will be on the low side but I'm looking for economy at this point. I got the 90 as part of an insurance deal. Needs some repair but is a 2003. Maybe down the road a bit I'll sell that and move up some in hp. Also trying to save for a newer motor for my 23 WA. That 225 carbed Johnson sucks 16-18 gph. Most newer DI's and 4 strokes are 8-10gph. I may put the 225 on the 200 CCP not sure yet.
Brian
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Here's one of the great things about this website... it turns out that Brian and I not only live in the same township, but we're only a few miles apart. We exchanged phone info through PM and got the chance to meet up today. Brian invited me over to look at his new find. He admits that he has some work ahead of himself but he's jumping right in and with a real good bit of experience behind him. So this summer, we'll get to put both our AS's in the water. Imagine that, two classics in the same town and we don't even live in FL! Looks like we'll have to start a north gathering?? Good meet, Brian!
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Imagine that, two classics in the same town and we don't even live in FL! Looks like we'll have to start a north gathering??
8)
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As Wayne said we were able to meet up today. Always good to make another friend! After talking to Wayne and listening to the info posted here, it looks like we are going to put the 225 on the AS. I figure with the right prop we can cruise faster but not burn as much fuel as it does on a boat twice the weight. First, we need to see exactly what size tank is in this thing and if it's any good. Previous owner says 30 gallons, not really sure here's right unless the tank was changed. If anyone is looking for a project 22-2 closed bow let me know. My buddy Dave has one. It rolled over at the dock (was stern to in a storm) a few years ago and has been sitting. Winshield is broken but it could be had for a REAL GOOD price. I would have considered this boat but I already have a 23' wa and wanted to stay under 20' if I could. So we maxed at the 20' mark but I think as will be well.
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Congrats Brian!
I LOVE that boat! I have the same one. Here are my pics -->
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3847&p=23986#p23986 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3847&p=23986#p23986)
How is the transom? She looks like she is in great shape and worthy of some TLC to bring her back to 100%.
About the motors... I have a Evinrude 225 on it and it is WAYYY to heavy for the boat. I had to replace the scuppers for the self bailing deck with ones that have the 1 way flap built into them because as you stood near the battery boxes water would flood the deck. I also moved both the batteries under the center console for the same reason as well as for safety. I have the Evinrude 225 for sale and as soon as I sell it I have a Evinrude 175 waiting in my garage. I agree with a prior post that this is probably the maximum weight/size for this hull. An Evinrude 200 is the same block/weight/motor as the 225 so there isnt any difference there. A 90 is weak. Ive seen them with 150's as well. Keep in mind that I am talking about a 1986 motor. Im not sure what the weight difference is from an 86 to a 2008, but if its about 100lbs or so that may void my opinion. Its more about the weight for this hull than it is about the power. The Evinrude 225 on this hull MOVES! Instant streaming tears from the wind in your face. Very fast. I will be about to give you actual numbers as soon as I mount up my gift from santa... Lowrance lms 522 combo gps/fishfinder. But in any event, good luck and keep us posted on progress. We LOVE pictures
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Brian,
Welcome. Glad to have another 200ccp on the block. I have a 81 Johnson 175 on mine that is more than enough power. IMO a 150 is plenty of power and I also feel that newer models are actually stronger than the old ones with the same horsepower rating. i.e. a 2009 2 stroke 150 would have 10-15% more power than a 1981 150. Of course these are my opinions. Once again welcome and glad to see another 200ccp.
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allen456 and kaptainkoz,
I have admired both of your boats and looked at your pics many times trying to figure out what else is missing from ours. When I finish repairing the 90 it will get hung on the boat to be tried out. May use it for a while. Then once I can get to my other boat the 225 will be pulled from it and hung on the AS. The 90 will then get sold or traded in on a newer motor for my 23 walk around. I don't have anything in 150-175 range at the moment to use. kaptainkoz, your motor (1986) is the 2.6 liter version (first 225hp looper), 1987 was a 2.7 liter, and 1988 on were 3.0 liter. Mine is a 1988 and sucks fuel like crazy. We should be able to get some more mpg's from the 225 on the AS versus having it on the 23.
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Congrats on the 200 CCP :cheers: Good to see another 20' CCP owner. I have sure learned alot about mine, so if you have any questions feel free to ask. Enjoy your new toy :salut:
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I figured I'd move over to the rebuild side. Here's some pics of the transom repair and tank tub.
(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww158/bdtsr/Aquasport/HPIM1947.jpg)
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Admin's note: Brian I edited this post to correct the pictures you posted (I did that above also), merged the two topics and moved the new topic into the rebuild forum as you implied.
Now, about the way you're posting pics: When you view the pic in Photobucket that you want to show us - don't copy the URL from the address box at the top. There is a section to the right of the pic named "Image link codes". The bottom one of the codes is "IMG Code - Forums & Bulletin Boards": just click in that box and the correct codes will be copied to your PC memory, then come back to your topic and right-click and click paste. You don't have to click any of the buttons above the posting area, you're finished. The necessary "Img" codes will be pasted and when you're done with the post, we'll see the actual pics instead of just the links to the pics.
Hope this helps.
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Well the tank is 50 gallons, ok size I guess and is in good shape. The tank cover is shot and will need to be fixed. The steering is ok. When the weather warms a bit again we are going to be adding the 5 inches back to the transom bringing it back up to 25 inches. Some one moved the console back about 18 inches, need to move that back up. Also have to work on three other boats, a 20ft Sundance Skiff, a 30ft Egg Harbor and at some point my 23 walk around. Never a shortage of things to do!
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While the boat is apart, you might want to replace the steering system with hydraulic.
I know its $$$$ but in the long run you will be happier. Especially if you put the 225 on it.
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That'll be a project for next year. Don't have $1k for that right now. The cable still seems ok for now. Need to get all the glass and wiring work done first.
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Brian,
I wasnt really sure what you ment in your post, but DO NOT hang a 225 on this hull unless it is in the 2000's (the newer motors are lighter). Its not the power that is the problem (the power is awesome, my boar flies) its the weight. As I walk towards the tansom water would come in through the self bailing deck scuppers. I fixed it short term by changing out the scuppers for the ones that have the one way flap. That worked. But it is still wayyyy too ass heavy. I have also relocated the batteries to under the center console. All I have in those rear battery boxes is some light fishing gear. I have a 1988 175 waiting in my garage for when I sell the 225. That saves me about 100 lbs. By the way, I am going to make a custom fiberglass insert for the port battery compartment and make it a live well. Also, Im not sure how your in floor transom bait well is, but mine has a drain through the transom to let water in or out... the problem is that it is about 3 inches from the bottom leaving you no way to drain the 3 inches. So I drilled a hole and installed a brass sleeve to accept a plug... but as you can see in my pic, DONT drill dead center because the keel is right there. I had to patch that hole and go a inch or so over.
(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/kaptainkoz/IMG_5935.jpg)
You will see a white dot next to a black dot. the white dot is the repair, the black dot is the drain. It drains down into the bilge area so the bilge pump would then have to clear it out. I find it best suited as a catch bin rather than a live well so it doesnt get much water that way. Your in jersey... if you find yourself on the island at all I am about 20 minutes from JFK on the south shore. You are welcome to come anytime and check my boat out to get ideas. Just bring earplugs because once I get talking about this I never shut up!
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By the way, hydrolic steering sounds great and im sure I would love it, but even with the 225 cable steering isnt brutal. Its just a bit tough when you are coming out of a tight turn around but overall cable steering the 225 is easier than my friends 90 hp on his 17ft whaler. Im sure the 175 will be even easier (cant wait to get that motor on!)
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(http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq300/kaptainkoz/IMG_5953.jpg)
In regard to the wire/control/steering hole cutout near the transom. its a bit tough to see in this pic, but what I ended up doing was cutting a notch at the 3 oclock position (if you are looking at the hole) for the sterring cable to come out. I made the notch just big enough so I could install the boot ring without it touching the steering cable. What this did was allowed the steering cable to come out at a natural angle, and it allowed me to get a really good boot around the rest of the cables. Once everything was in I sealed around the steering cable with 5200. I will see if I can get a better pic for you (see... told ya, once I get started talking about this boat I cant stop!). By the way, this is an older pic. I now have all those wires (except for the fuel) running through a really nice piece of blue hose that I got at Home Depot to keep things clean looking.
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kaptainkoz, don't have much of a motor choice right now. I'm looking at a 225 Yamaha on Monday which will end up on the boat at some point. My 225 Johnny is reliabe and runs well so that's why it's going on the AS. When it and all my other OMC stuff is sold, I'll hang the Yammy on there. Been talking to a local dealer, may work with him for the AC NJ Boat Show (Feb 4-8). We've also been talking about me wrenching for him so there may be some other motor opportunities there.
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Well here's a little update. We removed the tank cover and stripped the wood off, laid a layer of 1708 in first then a single piece (old stuff was 3 pieces) of 1/2" bc ply. Thursday it will have the top (bottom) layer of 1708 put on. Since the boat is stripped at this point, I think we are going to cut the deck out and redo it using 3/4 ply. Just can't see not doing it now. The transom repair is down to the final stages. The console is at my buddies house getting stripped, holes filled, cracks repaired and ready for paint. I have the dash panel ready for gauge installation and rewire. Found some nice fuse holders at Radio Shack (they ordered and shipped them to the house) for less then $3 each. They are 20 amp rated with a LED blown fuse indicator. A nice feature is the cap is o-ringed to seal it. They are a little larger but will look nice. Trying to get as much done as we can while working on these projects as well:
1976 46' Hatteras repairing someone elses' window removal and fill job.
1974 25' Chris Craft twin 4 cylinder engine replacement.
2003 20' Sundance skiff bow repair and engine re-rig.
1999 20' Hydrosport engine install (waiting on engine).
1989 23' Invader engine swap (current Optimax going on my 23' W/A)
1990 23' Trophy remove 225 Johnson and install 225 Optimax (my other boat!) :cheers:
Always something!
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Ok the snow didn't help much this week! The console is stripped and ready for repair, picked up a leaning post from craigslist today and Friday we should have the deck out. We thought about the deck for a while and decided that since the console is out we'd just go ahead and replace the deck. We may add a forward fish well at this time also. Thing is, in addition to the other projects I listed, we now have two transoms to do, and several other small jobs coming in now. So much for getting the AS done before everything breaks loose. :mrgreen:
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Being "over busy" in these times is a crime isn't it? :wink:
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Absolutely!!! I've been "unemployed" since September of last year. Several business deals have been put on hold or greately delayed. No one seems to be interested in a 45 year old guy with lots of qualifications when they can get a 20ish year old for much less money (how this all started in the first place). So I take whatever I can when I can to fill in the gaps.
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Looks like you are making some good progress :salut: Got any pictures we could see :?:
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Hopefully on Friday.