Aquasport Osprey 170 (The Ambassador) - Hv question.

[Bahi]

I consulted a salesman from Yamaha, who told me that my engine hydraulic system is used for tilt and trim. The two hydraulic pistons set into the engine bracket (the trim part of the system), are used to adjust the angle of the engine when under power. The single hydraulic rod connected higher on the engine (the tilt part of the system) is used to tilt it up clear of the water.

Yesterday, when I kept pushing the hydraulic button to keep the engine tilted all the way down, it was hell of a difference; we had a smooth cruise with much flatter hull. But when I stop pushing the button, the engine tilts itself up, every few second, and the bow goes higher & higher in the air until I tilt it down again! Now, I believe that the problem has been discovered with your great help guys. Thanks!

I called Yamaha Services Manager, today, and explained the situation. He will send someone with me to check my engine trim & tilt system. I'll be busy working the next couple of days, but intend to fix the problem before the end of the week.

I'll come back to you with result by that time. Thanks again, and if you may have any more comments and/or suggestions, I'll be glad to hear from you.

[RickK]

Sounds like the "trim up" switch is faulty - staying on - shorted.

[GoneFission]

Could even be a loose connection or wiring problem.  At any rate, this should not be a big deal to fix - good news!

[Bahi]

Engine tilting problem has been just fixed, but -frankly speaking- it didn't help as I expected! The only option I currently have is the console place.

I asked Yamaha Services Manager about who could help. He offered to take me to two fiberglass boat factories not far from Doha City, in order to get quotes. I won't take the boat itself, but some pics of my boat & other boats with the console in its right place. I'll call him beginning of next week to agree on date/time.

I hope it won't cost too much, or I'll be forced to posponed it for a while; I was planning to go on a short 48 hours trip to Egypt, next month, to see my sick father.

Ill keep you posted.

[LilRichard]

Try the tabs - they're pretty inexpensive ($400+)

[RickK]

Bahi, are you handy at all with tools?  Moving the console back forward shouldn't be a big deal and not too expensive.  If the sole was not replaced after the previous owner moved it aft, there might be some telltale signs of where it used to be.  You'll probably need new control cables.  The harnesses are probably still intact, just rolled up underneath the console.  Have you looked under the console to see what is there?

[Bahi]

Rick...it doesn't look a big deal to move the console by myself. The problem is that I never owned a boat before, and have no experience. I'm still discovering each part of her.

Yes, the traces of the console's orginal place exist, but I'm not sure that I can replace/move all cables/wires (control, navigation lights, fuel indicator..etc). Moreover, I don't know with what should I fill the sole old holes after moving the console.

It's like a kid's 1st school day for me!

[Mad Dog]

Bahi,  We all know how you feel.  Most of the members of this forum never worked with boat building materials until we found this site and/or http://forums.bateau2.com/.  As you have seen already there is plenty of experienced members now who are willing to walk you through your project.  The best way to make that happen is posting lots of pictures from lots of angles so we can see what you see.  As far as materials there must be ample suppliers where you are.  I don't know anything about your import rules, but anything you need you can order over the net.  

This can be a very satisfying experience if you want.

[RickK]

Yup, we're here for you man :farao:

[GoneFission]

I would bet that whomever moved the console back did not change the conrol cables - just pushed them into the bilge...  

Moving the console back up is no big deal.  Sealing the screw holes is also pretty easy.  I'm sure the Classic Aquasport team could help you through it if you want to take the project on...

[Bahi]

Mad, Rick & John,

 

OK, let's give it a try! I'm planning to go for another short 5hrs fishing trip, tomorrow at 0600hrs (wanna join me?!). I'll try to get you clear shots from all possible angles, then we can discuss the possibilities, this Saturday. Thanks for trying to help.

[RickK]

I can see a couple good things already:
1) the fuel tank is under the sole so we don't have to mess with that
2) I see that cables are bundled and zip tied with extra cable
3) I can see the trough where the control cables and wires go and the console is still on top of that with the trough opening under the console

We just need to see the control cables and I bet they're fine and nothing will have to be done to them.

Looks like an easy move.  

[Bahi]

The boat wasn't clean after yesterday's fishing trip. I hope the photos would be clear enough. Anyway, I just uploaded about 20 of those photos. I still have many others, but I feel that they would be just duplicates.

What do you think?

[Capt. Bob]

Well from what I can see....

1. The console has been moved back. It need to be moved forward to its original (by design) position.

2. I really can't tell but it sure looks like you have enough control cable to reposition the console.

3. I'd also move the "seat" forward and place the battery under the console.

I have a picture of my old 170 with a 115hp Johnson hanging off the back in the photo section. Look at the stern and you can see the scuppers just above the water line. that is what you want yours to look like.

Good Luck

[RickK]

Looks like they didn't cut any wires or cables, just moved the console and seat back.  
I would move it back forward and no, there won't be much room between it and the casting deck - that's just how a 170 is - but it will be balanced. I would use 5200 or 4000 and seal the holes that are left from the current install.
Ditto on what Bob said about mounting the battery in the console - you'll need an on-off switch if you don't have one.