Mike B's 19-1 Refinish

[mshugg]

 Great progress on the demo.  You’re getting close to moving in the + direction.  An inch and a half is good transom core thickness for your 191.  It doesn’t really matter how you get there.  A single layer of 1 1/2” , two x 3/4” or three x 1/2” are equivalent in all but work and cost.  There’s probably a bit more work with more layers.  As for cost, If you can get a bargain on a particular thickness, go with that.

[wingnut]

I have a 2 year old, my working time is whatever time she's napping on the weekends.

I know how that goes... mine are slightly older but the vast majority of my rebuild has been after 8:00pm once they are FINALLY asleep! Makes for a long rebuild but you (and the kids) will appreciate it that much more once you get it out on the water.

[Tampa Bay Mike]

10 degrees and 22' tides!  Wow, Florida has me spoiled. I'm planning to go for a boat ride this weekend.

Progress looks great. Keep it up

[Mwar410]

You’re making me anxious, just waiting for some shop space to open up and I’m tearing into the 196

[umecheme]

All.... the wood... in the transom... is gone!



Also, started tearing apart the mess that I refer to as the console.  You can definitely tell that this boat has not been owned by boat people, just people who owned a boat.  I'm sure that its the same with every 50 year old boat, but WTF. EVERYTHING is jerry rigged. Then again, maybe in 50 years from now, someone will tear this thing apart again and wonder what the hell I was thinking.  Its about time this old girl got the love she deserves. 



I'll get the inside skin of the transom sanded down.  Does anyone have a good thread of photos of how they glassed the new transom in?  I know 3 layers, but are the tops of those layers between the skin and first piece of marine ply (seems like this would leave a gap), or does it all overlap onto the back of the skin?  I'd have to grind down a bunch of the outter skin to do it this way, and it would probably be a bear to sand down and fair.  Just looking for some input on how I prep for the next step, I'm struggling to picture how people are doing this.  I'm certain someone on here has a much better method than I would think up.

Thanks in advance!

-Mike

[RickK]

Grind all the wood off the transom inside skin. You want to reinforce the skin with 3 layers of 1708 on 3 or 4" overlay - if the transom is not flat across the aft you may need to lay the glass and then clamp it with a plywood (with cheap painters plastic drop cloth in between) or a waxed melamine piece on the outside and inside. The following gives you an idea of how to clamp the wood to straighten transom skin. You will use some form of this to clamp the core in also.  Some drill holes and pull it in with all thread, some use, including me, use the above clamps.


As you lay 3 layers of glass plus 1.5" core plus 3 more layers of  glass to tie everything together, you've moved the low point of the hull, which used to be close to the drain plug, to about a 9" to a foot in front of the transom.

Here is a link to where I explain the thought of the PVC pipe
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg133124#msg133124

Here is a link to where I show what is actual problem
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg133556#msg133556

Here is a link to Hawgleg's rebuild that shows the PVC pipe installation to keep a drain at the new low point of the boat
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=13148.msg134262#msg134262

[umecheme]

Finally got some nice enough weather to drag the old girl outside, which is where it really needed to be to do all the sanding.... I'll have fiberglass dust in all my belongings from now to the end of time.  At least on anything that was in the detached garage.  Anyway, it was good to get some work done.  Finally said screw it and cut the liner out all the way up to the casting deck.  I only really have so much time to get stuff done outside until the mosquitos and black flies arrive.  Most of the transom is ready to go, need to do some more sanding where I'll be tabbing the new deck to the hull, but I wasn't getting a whole lot out of the flap disc, so i'll pick up another one. 





Still need to order a bunch of stuff to move on, but I've been dreading this sanding.  Good thing I had a supply of Tyvek suits before Tyra Banks bought em all. Refinancing the house stole all my cash, but should free up $350 a month which I'm putting straight into the rebuild fund.  My wife said start making a list of things I need.  I'll keep a mental list, I'm not sure she wants to see how much stuff I really need to get this thing wet.  I'd rather not have the "why didn't we buy a finished boat" conversation when I can't leave the house.  She'll never understand... :-)

Oh, and I know I still have a lot of cleanup to do (a little foam left, plywood chunks), but I figure no sense to clean again until I slow down on the sanding. Bonding putty is my next battle...

[RickK]

Looks like you've done a good job cleaning up the inside.   

[Enginerd]

Looking good Mike. I used a hammer and chisel to chip off the bonding putty, grinding it off would've made a ton of dust.

[umecheme]

Getting a quote on a custom aluminum tank.... Without cutting anything, I should be able to get 30 gals down there....  A poly tank is gonna cost me $250+ and shipping... or I get what I want for.....?????

[mshugg]

If you can find a local shop to make your tank, you can save big.  A 30 gal tank will most likely be $300 -$400, but freight can add $100-$200. 

[Woodeneye]

If you can find a local shop to make your tank, you can save big.  A 30 gal tank will most likely be $300 -$400, but freight can add $100-$200. 

....so true.....freight is a killer for these things. I would've been happy with $200 when I got mine.

[umecheme]

Well... the free shipping made the decision for me... Totalboat epoxy it is...  Did a bunch more sanding with the flap disc.  Need to buy another to finish up.  Wife is leaving town for 5 days in a about a week.  Let's see how much I can get done.  At least for 5 days I won't have to hear the battle of "why are you working on that boat so much" and "I wish the boat was finished so we could use it."  Two hours a week just doesn't get you very far.  So I've decided I'm going to shrink the size of the notch in the transom to minimize water coming over the back.  I want to make sure its wide enough if I ever decide to repower, But i'm assuming the 90 degree Evinrude looper I'm putting on is as wide as I'm going to find?  Any suggestions on a universal notch width?

Also... Any thoughts on making sure the deck pitches slightly to the stern?  My thought is drop the trailer jack so that the water line drops a few degrees to the bow, then install the deck using a level... seems easy enough?

Oh,and I'm really MF-ing the bonding putty... Lots of chiseling.  My cheapest chisel is going to look like Andy Dufresne's rock hammer in The Shawshank Redemption.

[wingnut]

On chisels - you can get a piece of steel bar stock (24" x 2" x 1/4" stock is maybe $8 at Tractor Supply) and put the end to a grinder... then beat the heck out of it without feeling bad!

A cautionary tale on the TotalBoat epoxy in Maine... I found it to be significantly more temperature sensitive than West. If you got the fast hardener, probably no issue, but if it's slow hardener, I'd make sure you're temp is at least 70 degrees and not damp. I had a lot of gooey scraping on my hard top because a batch never fully cured, and that was in my basement at 62 degrees. Heat gun and cooking it wouldn't even touch it. I imagine your spring has been as cold, wet and stupid as ours has been down here.

However - West System hardener works great on any resin as long as the ratio is the same (i.e. designed for 5:1 etc). Resins are basically the same from brand to brand, but the hardener makes a difference in my opinion. In the right conditions though, TotalBoat worked just fine and the price is right.

[umecheme]

Thanks Wingnut... I'll keep an eye on the temperatures, or pick up a quart of the West System slow hardener for days where the temperature is questionable. I'm excited to put something new back ONTO the boat.  Will be a bummer if I have to cut it back out due to a bad cure.