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September 08, 2019, 08:00:27 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #330 on: September 08, 2019, 08:00:27 PM »
Is that a change in motor support?  The boat is looking great.
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September 08, 2019, 08:57:21 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #331 on: September 08, 2019, 08:57:21 PM »
Thank Rick. I didn't have anything yet. I've been keeping my eye out for something that would work - Porta bracket, Armstrong, big jack plate, I even considered building something, but this came up for sale just down the road from me and I couldn't pass it up for the price.

September 11, 2019, 08:54:02 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #332 on: September 11, 2019, 08:54:02 PM »
Before I do any clean up work on the bracket I want to make sure it will work so I propped it up against the transom to take some measurements and such. So, now the $2500 question. What do you guys think? I don't know the first thing about mounting a bracket, but it looks like it may have a bit too much negative angle. (If that's even the right term?)





At 24" out theres about a 2" drop. Should it be closer to 90° off the back?





Thanks for any advice


September 12, 2019, 04:55:54 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #333 on: September 12, 2019, 04:55:54 AM »
You’ll need to figure out the mounting height based on where you need your engine to mount.  The rule of thumb is that the engine needs to be raised 1” for every 12”” of setback.  So, a 30” setback bracket will require 2 1/2” of additional height 27 1/2” above the keel for a 25” shaft.  How high will you need to mount the bracket to achieve that?  Will the height still leave you with enough room for engine rigging coming out of the transom?

A second factor will be trim range.  There’s no question you’ll have a lot of negative trim, but will the upper trim position allow you to trim the bow up enough? probably, but I’d check to be sure.

September 12, 2019, 07:01:49 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #334 on: September 12, 2019, 07:01:49 AM »
I'll add my :2Cents:

If the use is to include getting in and out of the boat (think diving/swimming) then speaking from past experience, I would want a full length platform. You've done a fine job with the rebuild. Spending a little more on an aluminum platform/bracket would add a nice finish to the stern. However, if it is more of a fishing hull, a jack plate would give you more versitility in where you can go (skinny water) and performance tuning.

I loved my platform/bracket on the CCP. It made ingress/egress so much easier plus it added fishing area in the stern. I also mounted the livewell on the starboard side. Granted, not the most sleek look but extremely functional.

Good luck. :thumright:
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September 12, 2019, 07:29:19 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #335 on: September 12, 2019, 07:29:19 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. mshugg, I think I'll have enough room for the rigging while still being able to access the drain plug. For now I was more concerned with the transom angle than the height so I just used that box since it was sitting there. I cut out a cardboard template and mounted it about 27" from the bottom.



I will have to double check the trim range though.

Bob, it will probably end up being a mix of a fishing and family boat so getting in and out will be a factor. Last time I was down at marine surplus they had a stack of the molded fiberglass swim platforms that I could mount on each side for a couple hundred bucks and I also have one of those three step ladders with the bracket laying in the shop that I could use. I agree that a new full width bracket would be ideal but it would be about 10x the cost of what I would have into this when it's done. I'm not saying it is completely ruled out but it would be nice to save the cash if I can make this one work.

September 12, 2019, 08:02:09 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #336 on: September 12, 2019, 08:02:09 AM »
It actually looks like you’ll need to mount it higher because of the downward slope of the bracket.  That will put the motor deeper in the water.

September 12, 2019, 08:49:52 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #337 on: September 12, 2019, 08:49:52 AM »
just a thought, but won't you want to run some boards parallel with the bottom of the hull extended back behind the transom, use that to set the motor cavitation plate height (as posted earlier raised 1” for every 12”” of setback).  Then figure out where the bracket needs to sit to hold the motor there.
At this point the transom angle vs. bracket angle is what it is, but don't measure perpendicular off the transom to set the motor height.  Sorry if I interpreted your previous post wrong maybe thats what you're already doing?

September 12, 2019, 10:43:32 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #338 on: September 12, 2019, 10:43:32 AM »
Ok, well if I do end up using it I am definitely going to find someone who knows what they are doing to mount it for me along with the engine. The last thing I want is a dozen or so holes to fill and re-drill..

So it looks like my main concerns will be the trim range and if I am happy with the slight downward angle. I will most likely end up adding swim platforms to each side which may hide some of it and solve the boarding issue. Or it may make it look sloppy and pieced together. I think I'm going to table it for a few weeks while I finish up the rest of the boat and think on it some more. Best case I end up with a bracket that works for next to nothing, and worst case I sell it cheap and find something else.

Thanks again guys

September 14, 2019, 05:29:47 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #339 on: September 14, 2019, 05:29:47 PM »
you've come this far, get the right bracket.

September 15, 2019, 12:35:17 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #340 on: September 15, 2019, 12:35:17 AM »
This is a long thread so forgive me if this has been covered already.....did you rule out a porta bracket?  I mean, you've got this beautiful rebuilt hull and you're gonna install that big clunky bracket w/the only benefit of set back.  If so and you fish shallow water, you'll also need a jack plate w/the angle of that bracket.  And with how low it sits a 25" shaft will be too long. 

I'm sure you're counting the dollars by now, but if ya got the extra I'd recommend the porta which acts as set back and jack plate in one.  Not to mention it will look a heck of lot cleaner. 
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September 15, 2019, 08:08:56 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #341 on: September 15, 2019, 08:08:56 AM »
My first choice would be a porta bracket but you are absolutely right, the dollar signs are starting to add up and I'm still looking at buying a motor and trailer. Adding another 3k on top of that is not the easiest pill to swallow.

If it fit a little better I would probably go with it but I just can't see myself being happy with it the way it is once everything is finally done.

September 15, 2019, 10:05:47 AM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #342 on: September 15, 2019, 10:05:47 AM »
Erikhimmel new member, see you staring what looks like a great build. Look at my pics I just up loaded for some ideas.
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September 15, 2019, 01:46:39 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #343 on: September 15, 2019, 01:46:39 PM »
I don't see the images you uploaded?

September 15, 2019, 11:10:31 PM
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Re: Mike's 77 22-2 Rebuild
« Reply #344 on: September 15, 2019, 11:10:31 PM »
My first choice would be a porta bracket but you are absolutely right, the dollar signs are starting to add up and I'm still looking at buying a motor and trailer. Adding another 3k on top of that is not the easiest pill to swallow.

If it fit a little better I would probably go with it but I just can't see myself being happy with it the way it is once everything is finally done.

Unless you only run deep, I really think you'll need a jack plate if installing a transom bracket.  The plate will run 2k, plus the cost of the bracket, plus your labor hours for installing the combo.  Or a 3k porta bracket, make 1 installation, and get same benefits as the jack plate/transom bracket combo, with the bonus benefit of looking a heck of a lot cleaner. 
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