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November 23, 2014, 05:09:13 PM
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Necessary Evil

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Smart Rails?
« on: November 23, 2014, 05:09:13 PM »
Has anyone installed the Smart Rail spray rails? Results?

Thanks!
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November 24, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
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« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2014, 01:08:36 PM »
Was waiting for an Aquasport owner to respond, so guess no one here has installed a set.

My neighbor down the street installed spray rails this summer on his 27 Albemarle. Said the difference is night and day. Doesn't have to run his windshield wipers anymore.

November 24, 2014, 01:14:28 PM
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2014, 01:14:28 PM »
Taco marine now sells a spray rail - check it out - this could be a good way to go:

http://tacomarine.com/item--2-1-16-x-1- ... -0874.html
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November 24, 2014, 01:28:22 PM
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2014, 01:28:22 PM »
Quote from: "GoneFission"
Taco marine now sells a spray rail - check it out - this could be a good way to go:

http://tacomarine.com/item--2-1-16-x-1- ... -0874.html

That Taco rail is the product my neighbor installed. Looks nice too.

November 24, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2014, 04:03:04 PM »
Quote from: gran398
Was waiting for an Aquasport owner to respond, so guess no one here has installed a set.

It's been discussed but......members seem to shy away from the SR costs.

Still....

Jesse thought about it on his 19-6 but he sold the ol' gal first I believe.
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=3965.msg24716#msg24716

LilRichard installed Barbour Plastics on his.
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=957.msg14360#msg14360

Here's a few pics of JTown's
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Capt. Jim's 67 FB


So it has been done.

Good luck.
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November 24, 2014, 04:24:05 PM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2014, 04:24:05 PM »
Quote from: "gran398"
Was waiting for an Aquasport owner to respond, so guess no one here has installed a set.

My neighbor down the street installed spray rails this summer on his 27 Albemarle. Said the difference is night and day. Doesn't have to run his windshield wipers anymore.

Is it possible to post some pictures of those rails installed? Also how far back did he go and how did e secured them on? I want to do the same on my 270 TM and don't know how wide or how long they have to be.

November 24, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2014, 04:47:29 PM »
Quote from: "giorgos"
Quote from: "gran398"
Was waiting for an Aquasport owner to respond, so guess no one here has installed a set.

My neighbor down the street installed spray rails this summer on his 27 Albemarle. Said the difference is night and day. Doesn't have to run his windshield wipers anymore.

Is it possible to post some pictures of those rails installed? Also how far back did he go and how did e secured them on? I want to do the same on my 270 TM and don't know how wide or how long they have to be.

Yes I have some pics on my phone. He ran them bow to stern.

Pretty sure he screwed and glued, will inquire.

November 24, 2014, 08:42:14 PM
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2014, 08:42:14 PM »
I've looked into spray rails (Taco, Barbour, Integrity).  The price of the rails themselves are not too bad, but shipping is a bit much due to the length.  In another post on here, Eugene felt the 22-2s (both flatback and modified v) didn't really need them.  I have never actually been on a running 22-2, so I have no actual experience with how much spray gets in the boat.  But if anybody in the Tampa Bay/West Florida area wants to do a "group buy" and split the shipping costs, I would probably go for it.
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November 24, 2014, 09:51:29 PM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2014, 09:51:29 PM »
If i decide to make them from scratch, what wood do i use ? What down angle?   How wide?

November 25, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 12:45:32 AM »
Quote from: "CLM65"
I've looked into spray rails (Taco, Barbour, Integrity).  The price of the rails themselves are not too bad, but shipping is a bit much due to the length.  In another post on here, Eugene felt the 22-2s (both flatback and modified v) didn't really need them.  I have never actually been on a running 22-2, so I have no actual experience with how much spray gets in the boat.  But if anybody in the Tampa Bay/West Florida area wants to do a "group buy" and split the shipping costs, I would probably go for it.

This is a subject we've never discussed....how wet?  The positives have always outweighed the negatives. But yes....the old 22-2s can quickly wet you and your crew.

Doesn't take a lot of wind to wet you....10 mph in the wrong direction.

The worst is in the bay in a wind chop. Big boat comes along...no biggee you think...you're at a slow cruise. Take the wake at a correct 45 degree angle, 8 mph. Up and over.

Seems easy....but on the mini-entry, the spray drenches the girls up front.

Not what you're looking for. Unhappy hair at the restaurant.

November 25, 2014, 08:06:33 AM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2014, 08:06:33 AM »
I'm trying to decide where to mount them. The Smart Rails can/should be mounted right on the chine, which would change the boat's handling characteristics somewhat. If extended all the way back it would add considerable lift at planing speeds. I wonder if that would make her bow heavy?
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November 25, 2014, 08:11:22 AM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2014, 08:11:22 AM »
Quote from: "CLM65"
In another post on here, Eugene felt the 22-2s (both flatback and modified v) didn't really need them.  I have never actually been on a running 22-2, so I have no actual experience with how much spray gets in the boat.

capt matt says the same thing. ive been on his boat in a confused chop on a windy day like we get in the bay and his boat was bone dry. i dont think i will add any rails.

Craig, your welcome to come down and take a ride on my flattie any time :thumleft:
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November 25, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2014, 10:18:34 AM »
I found this from Eugene on another thread about splash rails on these boats  from this thread viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12415&start=15

Quote from: "Group W Bench"
If'n I were redoing a flatback, I would not install the same spray rail extrusions that I utilized on the Boca Grande. They are mighty wide concave extrusions at nearly 2 3/4"-3" wide and probably 2"-2 1/2" tall. On a 22-2 flatback, they would stick out like the proverbial turd in a punchbowl. Aesthetically, they are simply too big. Additionally, they are a raging pain in the arse to install if you want to eliminate the gap on the top edge between the hull and the extrusion. Functionally, they serve as reverse chines when extended below the waterline. This would create some mighty quick/jerky turns if extended too far below the waterline. They are basically akin to the parabolic edge of a ski when flexed in the center. As the chine digs, they are cutting into the water like a parabola and the laminar flow of water over the concave chine is much like that of snow over a flexed parabolic ski edge. The 22-2 flatback, even with an extended keel is limited in forward straight line tracking. When properly balanced and trimmed, the deep forefoot/keel of the flatback is almost completely out of the water, so there is little to keep the hull tracking other than the short keel (hopefully extended per Capt'n Matt's sage advice). Therefore, I see little advantage to a concave spray rail extrusion on a 22-2 flatback.

Alternatively, I would suggest a short 1 1/2 box section installed along the chine similar to the spray rail installed on Orlando's 24' extended flatback. http://classicaquasport.com/phpBB3/view ... d+flatback  
These are simple spray rails extending 1 1/2" from the chine in a simple box section without any concave shape. I don't think it is necessary to extend them all the way to the transom, as the spray spitting on a flatback only occurs where the water meets the chine. Nevertheless, a lot of folks including Bill Miller, who I greatly respect, have decided to extend spray rails all the way to the transom on their 22-2's . I do not understand the logic, but I will be damned if I will argue with my respected elders such as Bill Miller about what works on a boat. They have forgotten more about boats than I will likely ever know.

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Quote from: "CLM65"
Thanks Eugene.  I wasn't necessarily thinking about that exact spray rail, but maybe something like the Barbour Plastics model R1010.  Bottom line - is 8' too short to be worthwhile?


My personal belief is that a properly weighted and trimmed 22-2 (flatback or modified 12 degree) does not need spray rails at all. There are pretty girls with inherent quirks like the Boca Grande 26 or the Dorado 30 that undoubtedly need some help in the realm of spray to be gorgeous girls who won't drive you crazy from wetness and spray. These are like the otherwise beautiful girls in school with buck teeth that were quickly beautified with a little grooming and attention. These sorts of girls benefit dramatically from a good set of spray rails.  I don't think that the flatback 22-2 or the 12 degree 22-2 are girls that need these sorts of orthodontic braces. As previously stated, there are folks with more grey matter than me, with whom I will not argue who wholeheartedly disagree, but I think your flatback with proper weighting and trim does not need sprayrails at all. Candidly, I would ask guys like Capt'n Matt and Steve Betz who spend a couple of hundred days a year on their rigs a year. Those boys know their flatback boats like the back of their hands. I don't think either of them have added spray rails, but I couldn't say either way with any confidence. The boys who make their living on the water are the folks from whom you should solicit real world advice in my opinion. My advice is simply theoretical mental masturbation and worth exactly what you paid for it.

November 25, 2014, 10:34:39 AM
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Re: Smart Rails?
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2014, 10:34:39 AM »
Good stuff Kevin, thanks for digging this up.

I agree with Eugene as far as running on plane. My observation is (on the twelve degree) she's wet in the wind around 12 mph and below....at certain angles. If were going to install them, would opt for the narrower Taco product, and install on the front third only.

Will post the Albemarle pics ASAP.

November 25, 2014, 12:52:34 PM
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