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Title: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 09, 2019, 01:09:41 AM
Hey all, first Aquasport rebuild for me. This forum is awesome and filled with a ton of great ideas! I'm in the Tampa area, so the plan is building it out to a rock solid tarpon boat. I may keep this boat when its done and charter it instead of using my larger offshore Cobia,  or sell her and re do another, so I want to use composite all the way.
 I picked up this hull in Georgia about 2 weeks ago. She was in pretty good shape besides a few gouges in the hull that were semi-repaired. $1500 later, i'm now part of the Aquasport club  :danceSm: .

 I work pretty fast, so my plan is to have this boat finished up no later than the end of the year, but we all know how that goes. I take a ton of pictures, I know that helps inspire others and makes it enjoyable to follow along. 

Here's the build-out plan:
-2" Coosa composite transom.
-Adding 3" to the deck so she'll drain right.
-Nidacore deck.
-Closed in transom with a Porta-bracket.
-Dual station tower.
-Still deciding on keeping casting deck or build new.
-Build a mold and glass a new console or modify original.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/20190717_150949.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19018&title=20190717-150949&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/20190717_151022.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19019&title=20190717-151022&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/20190111_161047.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19017&title=20190111-161047&cat=881)


(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/58551917145_97721F27-1031-4846-A578-F05C65314C43.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18968&title=58551917145-97721f27-1031-4846-a578-f05c65314c43&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3096.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18975&title=img-3096&cat=881)

Here we go:
( trust me.. i made sure i didn't go right thru the hull  :lolG:)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3098.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18977&title=img-3098&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_30991.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18978&title=img-30991&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3103.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18981&title=img-3103&cat=881)

Transom was basically mushy cardboard at this point
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3108.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18982&title=img-3108&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31091.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18983&title=img-31091&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3112.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18985&title=img-3112&cat=881)

This was the easiest transom tear-out ever!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31391.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18998&title=img-31391&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31412.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19000&title=img-31412&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31401.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18999&title=img-31401&cat=881)

chunks of rot in the stringers/ transom area; who's hungry?  :lol:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3142.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19001&title=img-3142&cat=881)

Transom was pretty much 40% maggots  :puker:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3143.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19002&title=img-3143&cat=881)




(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3113.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18986&title=img-3113&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3146.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19007&title=img-3146&cat=881)

Further inspection this foam is beyond saturated, stringers most likely the same.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3114.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18987&title=img-3114&cat=881)

Popped the cap off to get at the liner.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3117.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18989&title=img-3117&cat=881)

decided to just remove the liner for good.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3120.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18992&title=img-3120&cat=881)

Casting deck didn't want to pop off easily.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3122.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18994&title=img-3122&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3144.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19005&title=img-3144&cat=881)

Stringer foam was soaked at the bottom.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31361.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=18995&title=img-31361&cat=881)

 Foam removed. Used my pressure washer with the 0 degree nozzle. Cuts like butter & i found that a flat roofing shovel works better than a spade shovel.  :great02:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3171.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19009&title=img-3171&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3172.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19010&title=img-3172&cat=881)

Pressure washed the entire inside, shop vac'd out all the dirt and small foam pieces. Clean slate!
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3177.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19015&title=img-3177&cat=881)

Minimal stringer delamination thankfully.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3178.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19016&title=img-3178&cat=881)

Previously repaired gouges in the hull, definitely needs to be re-done properly.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3173.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19011&title=img-3173&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3174.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19012&title=img-3174&cat=881)

This one not so bad:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3175.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19013&title=img-3175&cat=881)

from the inside: There was a small block of rotted plywood in there. Definitely screwed in place and glassed in from the outside at one point, until the screws rusted out. 
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3176.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19014&title=img-3176&cat=881)

as of Aug 8th I have everything stripped down and sanded. I Picked up all my supplies at FGCI in Saint Pete, except the transom core materials. I am ready to roll with the transom install, but finding the board is a bit of a challenge around Tampa!

Glad to be here!   

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 09, 2019, 07:54:26 AM
 :welcome01: HoS.  That's some quick progress.  :thumleft:
What is the plan for the transom? Are you going to change it to a full transom? What material are you looking to use for the transom core?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on August 09, 2019, 08:44:58 AM
What is the plan for the transom? Are you going to change it to a full transom? What material are you looking to use for the transom core?

From above:

Here's the build-out plan:
-2" Coosa composite transom.
-Adding 3" to the deck so she'll drain right.
-Nidacore deck.
-Closed in transom with a Porta-bracket.
-Dual station tower.
-Still deciding on keeping casting deck or build new.
-Build a mold and glass a new console or modify original.


It doesn't appear the hull is laterally supported (cap removed). Did you take measurements to get it all back together?

Good luck. :thumright:

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: TooLoose on August 09, 2019, 11:50:25 AM
Awesome - cant wait to see this one progress.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 10, 2019, 12:13:48 AM
Capt.Bob , I threw the cap back on today just to make sure everything is still in line. Everything is looking good. Planning on building a few 2x4 supports this weekend and put them across the top.

RickK, 2 inch Coosa is the plan. Will probably be hanging a 200 on the bac, so want a little more thickness than 1.5". 
Title: Materials
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 10, 2019, 12:26:48 AM
Today I Managed to find a 4x8 sheet of 1" coosa at a marine surplus in sarasota. It had some dings, but worked the guy down to $200 for the sheet which was nice. Also got a deal on a roll of 1808. Not sure how many yards are there but at 178lbs , I think i have ample material  :13:

Really wish they had another sheet of the coosa. I need another sheet of 1". I cannot find a place locally that stocks it. Might be making a trip to South Florida for a distributor who has it. Unless anyone has a sheet they are looking to offload ?  :shrug:

Sheet was in decent shape
 (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3189.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19020&title=img-3189&cat=881)

 Roll-O'-Glass

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_31902.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19021&title=img-31902&cat=881)


Materials ready to go. 3 sheets of honeycomb for the floor and a sheet of coosa
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3194.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19022&title=img-3194&cat=881)

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: BradC on August 10, 2019, 01:24:43 PM
FWIW ... I was taught that cinder block's integrity is weakened when laid side down ... ?

Going to be watching this build with interest, thanks for sharing  👍
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 11, 2019, 03:02:35 AM
BradC, yeah I forgot about that when offloading it from the trailer. I will probably pick up a trailer soon and transfer it to that, so the bricks wont be an issue as the build progresses. You can pick the hull up by yourself its so light now without all the extra weight from the saturated foam, etc.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 19, 2019, 06:03:49 PM
Last Monday, took a trip over to the east coast. Merritt Supply in Pompano Beach for the other sheet of coosa ,  & trusty US composite in West Palm. Officially have all the materials. Kind of went gung-ho with the epoxy but rather have a lil extra when i really need it. Time to start glassing this week !


(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_32011.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19060&title=img-32011&cat=500)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_32171.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19061&title=img-32171&cat=500)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Tampa Bay Mike on August 19, 2019, 06:58:15 PM
Wow, that should get you started for sure! Is that another 1" sheet of coosa? Two inches plus the glass would make for a stout transom.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 20, 2019, 06:12:30 AM
Picking up the supplies at US Composite will save a ton on frieght.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 21, 2019, 07:01:13 PM
Tampa Bay Mike, yessir another inch sheet. Will be 2" total core & with the outer and inner transom skins probably looking at 2.5" thick. With an extended bracket, i'd rather have more a little more strength than the usual 1.5".

RickK, you got that right. It's only a few hour drive from Tampa plus the shipping on another sheet of transom board would pretty much be the same as the price of the board in the first place.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on September 30, 2019, 01:56:04 AM
Looks to be coming along nicely! Looking forward to seeing the build progress. Thanks for sharing!

Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Burgmane on December 07, 2019, 11:45:32 PM
Shenanigans...hope you continue to update the thread here as I will follow with great interest. I didn’t see the hull in person but I had gone back and forth with the previous owner about potentially coming up to take a look at it in South Georgia. If you would have dragged your feet another 2 weeks it would have been mine  :embar:

Happy to see it in the Tampa Bay Area where it belongs! Outstanding hull for our area. I don’t have any experience rebuilding boats but I’m looking at tackling a similar project soon. Good luck and keep us posted!
Title: update
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 02, 2020, 01:19:25 AM
Hey guys been a while!  :zzz: Got side tracked with a few things early on and have been cranking along nicely now. I have a ton of photos to upload so I am going to be updating this quite often now.

Picking up where I left off:   

 got my roll set up and was off to the races
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_38551.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19688&title=img-38551&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/59597547559_C1F6BF1C-1595-494C-9782-79A9A9112540.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19686&title=59597547559-c1f6bf1c-1595-494c-9782-79a9a9112540&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3836.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19687&title=img-3836&cat=881)

outer skin got 3 layers 4,8,12" overlap with 4 layers to build in the cutout.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3988.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19689&title=img-3988&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3990.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19690&title=img-3990&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3991.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19691&title=img-3991&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3992.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19692&title=img-3992&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3993_1_.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19693&title=img-3993-1&cat=881)

dry fit
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3994.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19694&title=img-3994&cat=881)

other 1" coosa sheet
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_3996.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19695&title=img-3996&cat=881)

2" total coosa sandwiched with a layer of 1808 and a ton of resin for a real good squeeze-out. had about 500lbs on there. Water weighs a lot  :mrgreen:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4006.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19703&title=img-4006&cat=881)

screw in diagonal corners so it wouldn't shimmy on me while it cured
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_40031.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19701&title=img-40031&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_40021.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19700&title=img-40021&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4020.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19704&title=img-4020&cat=881)
trimmed the edges revealed a perfect bond
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4252.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19707&title=img-4252&cat=881)

in goes mr transom. Started trowling on some fillet and got it bolted in place. It was a colder weekend so I left it bolted for about 3 days just to be sure. This is a hell of a job doing it solo  :thumright:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4257.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19711&title=img-4257&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4260.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19714&title=img-4260&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4258.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19712&title=img-4258&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4256.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19710&title=img-4256&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4254.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19708&title=img-4254&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4255.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19709&title=img-4255&cat=881)

Pulled the bolts, off came the backer. looking good and strong as iron. A little filling to do eventually, for the most part it filled and layed flat mostly.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4307.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19717&title=img-4307&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4308.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19718&title=img-4308&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_43051.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19715&title=img-43051&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4310.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19720&title=img-4310&cat=881)

trimmed the excess and got the crown done. 1 3/4" of total crown. It will need to be sanded and rounded slightly before cap and bulkhead goes in. I did the crown after install because I wasn't sure how the piece was going to lay in ( a bottom corner was not rounded as good as the other side so it sat slightly higher) otherwise i would have had to compensate the cap with fillets.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4312.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19721&title=img-4312&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4313.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19722&title=img-4313&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4316.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19723&title=img-4316&cat=881)

Didn't get too many pics of the inner skin going in. 3 layers of 1808 tabbed 2,4,6" and an additional corner tab 6" overlap. I'd estimate the transom is between 2 1/4"- 2 1/2" at this point with all the layers & core. It's real rigid. Oh, did i mention how much resin 1808 drinks?  :drool: 

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4340.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19727&title=img-4340&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4318.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19725&title=img-4318&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4343.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19729&title=img-4343&cat=881)

built a template for the transom brace
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4346.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19732&title=img-4346&cat=881)

and for the angle of the stringer extension molds
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4347.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19733&title=img-4347&cat=881)

installed some molds for the foam pour
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4349.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19734&title=img-4349&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4352.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19736&title=img-4352&cat=881)

glassing the stringer extensions. 6 layers total. snagged a roll of 1708 12" tape so im not chopping the giant roll
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4358.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19737&title=img-4358&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4363.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19741&title=img-4363&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4360.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19739&title=img-4360&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4359.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19738&title=img-4359&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4364.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19742&title=img-4364&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4365.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19743&title=img-4365&cat=881)

test fitting rigging tube
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4362.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19740&title=img-4362&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4377.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19746&title=img-4377&cat=881)

Put my drain tubes in across the stringers cut with the proper angle. I then set them in place with some fillet material and ran a bead around the outer and inner edges so its watertight & ready for the foam pour.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4398.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19761&title=img-4398&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4401.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19762&title=img-4401&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4402.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19763&title=img-4402&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4405.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19765&title=img-4405&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4409.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19767&title=img-4409&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4406.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19766&title=img-4406&cat=881)


This hull had been beat up pretty good back in the day on a few spots on the port side. Sanded out an old repair job & bad glass. These were the only spots that required grinding out/ fresh glass as there was partial delam on the inside of hull. 

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4379.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19748&title=img-4379&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4378.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19747&title=img-4378&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4380.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19749&title=img-4380&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4381.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19750&title=img-4381&cat=881)

made a few quick backing plates So i had a form & no resin seeping out
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4396.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19759&title=img-4396&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4395.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19758&title=img-4395&cat=881)

6 layers for the damaged chine area within stringer. (did a test pour of foam and had to cut some back)  :roll:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4390.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19755&title=img-4390&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4391.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19756&title=img-4391&cat=881)
 
did one long continuous piece for the 2 areas damaged towards the back. 6 layers as well overlapped
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4392.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19757&title=img-4392&cat=881)




At this point I am ready to lay down my deck but need to find a fuel tank/ decide to reuse mine as well as how far to bring it forward. I will upload more pictures as soon as i have the time to get them uploaded
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on February 02, 2020, 07:12:33 AM
 :great02:
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: wingnut on February 02, 2020, 07:43:30 AM
Looking great! I thought I had the award for “Most Rotted Transom” but yours definitely takes the cake... mine didn’t have any pet maggots living inside!
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Tampa Bay Mike on February 02, 2020, 08:22:21 AM
Nice! Lots of good progress
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 02, 2020, 10:56:05 AM
Wow, that's a lot of progress. Thanks for taking the time to chronicle it with pictures. I remember the hours it took to take the pics, upload them and then document the rebuild.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 03, 2020, 12:06:30 AM
Keeping the pictures flowing as much as I can:

the repair of the damaged areas with the molds removed. Nice and smooth Definitely will help in sanding & fairing later on

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4416.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19769&title=img-4416&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4417.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19770&title=img-4417&cat=881)

its been a bit chilly lately so I had to warm up my 2 part foam with some real hot water. A heads up for anyone working in the cold, the manufacturer says the expansion rate is half at 60 degrees vs 80 degrees F. By warming it up and using a heater near the pour area, you get a much better expansion.   

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4418.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19771&title=img-4418&cat=881)

getting the rigging tube dry fitted. I have a 3" section running to transom and a 2" section runs to the bow & connects into an elbow at the center.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4419.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19772&title=img-4419&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4420.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19773&title=img-4420&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4422.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19775&title=img-4422&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4423.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19776&title=img-4423&cat=881)

The excess will be cut away flush and the stringer tops will be glassed down, a few holes to fill the finished stringers and tabbed shut. I am going to go with a flat deck all the way as my casting deck is too banged up. I also like the idea of no level changes and with the deck being raised already, a casting deck raised even higher doesn't seem best. The best tool to mix the foam is a paddle mixer in the drill, doing it by hand you just dont have enough time if pouring a large quantity (1QT + ). As you can see the mixer just becomes one solid foam block  :lol:
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4428.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19781&title=img-4428&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4427.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19780&title=img-4427&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4425.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19778&title=img-4425&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4424.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19777&title=img-4424&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4426.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19779&title=img-4426&cat=881)

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: BradC on February 03, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
Great stuff. Question: Are you embedding your rigging tube within the stringer? What if you need to access at some point in the future? Is the thought process that the deck will have to be lifted so doing the stringer as well is not that much of a bigger deal? Tx
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 03, 2020, 05:48:50 PM
Since the pics are from the past, we can't guess what his thought process is. I think I would have run 2 tubes, one in each stringer (you can't have too many routes). We have to wait to hear his plan.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 03, 2020, 09:36:44 PM
BradC, I liked the idea of it being hidden within the stringer so its out of the way, Kind of like pouring the slab for a house. The good thing is, If I need to have more rigging space, I can always run an auxiliary tube below the deck on the outer side of the stringer.

RickK, My thought process was to have them completely out of the way. I can't see any need to have it accessible, 3" PVC is some tough stuff. Even if i configured it like the original factory design (where the tubes run diagonally across the stringers & towards the gunnels), I would still be running into the same problem dealing with foam encasement/ cutting thru bulkheads. I was thinking originally running one in each stringer. My plan was run major wires & controls thru the encased tube and if i ultimately need more space, I can tab in an additional 3" tube to the underside of the deck.  :great02:
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 04, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
Pulling molds from the foam with a nice smooth surface ready for glass

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44331.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19803&title=img-44331&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44341.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19804&title=img-44341&cat=881)

started trimming the excess for the extension pieces to lay correctly

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44511.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19808&title=img-44511&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44521.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19809&title=img-44521&cat=881)

dry fitting the extensions
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4442.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19806&title=img-4442&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4458.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19810&title=img-4458&cat=881)

You can see the level on each side dips off, after some shimming and digging a small groove where it sat high, I got it laying level.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44611.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19811&title=img-44611&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44621.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19812&title=img-44621&cat=881)

Both extension pieces flush with each other
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_44651.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19813&title=img-44651&cat=881)

when i was checking the level across the stringers, it was off a good amount which had me worried. I suspected it was the whole boat not sitting level on the blocks. Turns out that was the case.  :whoo: Tested across the beam & Used some measurements to confirm that was the case. On I went with tabbing the extensions down. 

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4468.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19794&title=img-4468&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4470.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19796&title=img-4470&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4469.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19795&title=img-4469&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4471.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19797&title=img-4471&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4475.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19799&title=img-4475&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4477.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19800&title=img-4477&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4478.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19801&title=img-4478&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4479.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19802&title=img-4479&cat=881)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 04, 2020, 06:38:53 AM
Quick question for you. You mentioned you're probably going to hang a 200hp on the back. Do you know what kind of controls you're going to be using? If you're going to be running with conventional cabled controls, the control cables need quite a big pipe to make a turn in, especially not a 90.  I used 45s and barely got them to turn in that.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG0746.JPG) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7479&title=cimg0746&cat=646)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/646/CIMG0741.JPG) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=7417&title=cimg0741&cat=646)

Also, what kind of steering are you going to be using?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 04, 2020, 02:01:34 PM
Rick, I was planning on the 4 stroke Suzuki. I know they are all fly by wire (so i think).

for the steering, the usual hydraulic sea-star unit.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: mshugg on February 04, 2020, 03:18:31 PM
Rick, I was planning on the 4 stroke Suzuki. I know they are all fly by wire (so i think).

for the steering, the usual hydraulic sea-star unit.

I think you can get either cable or  FBW on the 150, 175 and 200 Four Stroke.  It is a significant up charge for FBW though.  You can buy the gray PVC conduit elbows for easier sweeps to pull cable.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 04, 2020, 03:49:55 PM
Rick, I was planning on the 4 stroke Suzuki. I know they are all fly by wire (so i think).

for the steering, the usual hydraulic sea-star unit.
Ok, good. So you should be ok.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 04, 2020, 10:40:03 PM
Stringer tops are done. I'm ready to begin dry fit of the deck. This is where the project is sitting as of now. I was going to start looking for a fuel tank and tower to determine where I need the deck supports to go. Bulkheads are measured and ready to be cut but i am not going further till i find a tank. My tank that came with the boat was surprisingly in good shape so i can pressure test that and see ifs sealed. If it clears, I may throw a coat of coal tar on it and throw it back in (don't see a reason not to unless I can find a good deal on a poly tank or at a surplus). I will need to determine how far forward i need to move it, since most move them forward a bit for better weight distribution. 


4 layers of 1808 tabbed 8, 10, 12" overlap both sides of stringers.
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4481.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19814&title=img-4481&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4482.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19815&title=img-4482&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4484.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19817&title=img-4484&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4483.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19816&title=img-4483&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4488.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19820&title=img-4488&cat=881)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_4487.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19819&title=img-4487&cat=881)

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 05, 2020, 06:05:29 AM
Looking good. If you find a poly tank that you think is right, remember that you need to allow 1-2% growth in all directions once gas fills the tank. It grows and does not shrink back.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on February 05, 2020, 07:41:41 AM
How well does the glass adhere to the stringer extensions. Did you do anything to the surface like what is done when applying new glass over old (roughing up the surface) to increase the mechanical bond?

Everything looks great. :thumright:
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 05, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
Capt Bob, The glass sticks pretty well to those tops.  Initially when i put it down it wanted to pull off on the sides a bit.  I went back over everything with the Detail roller and it lays down nicely once it starts tacking up.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 05, 2020, 09:11:30 PM
Capt Bob, I forgot to add to your question, I did a very brief scuff over the tops with a heavy duty brillow pad i had handy nearby.  Everything is rock solid now. I did wipe both sides and tops with denatured alcohol. The 3:1 epoxy blushes pretty good so i made sure to go over the entire stringers multiple times with hot soapy water once the epoxy cured. 

I also think its worth drilling a few holes  in the tops and fill  the voids with foam. That extra space filled in makes them rock solid vs leaving them filled with air  :great02:


I can’t wait to get the deck down. After that, everything will start flying by. The hardest parts of the project are over in my view.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 26, 2020, 09:26:48 PM
Cutting out the floor panels 3/4" honeycomb panels:

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/EE58836F-9E57-4428-A390-30B9459406CE.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19855&title=ee58836f-9e57-4428-a390-30b9459406ce&cat=500)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/B2D8ECF2-EF06-4B52-9F1D-8B6F19116471.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19853&title=b2d8ecf2-ef06-4b52-9f1d-8b6f19116471&cat=500)

4 panels total. I have a 5th panel for the very front near the bow (where the casting deck would be) this is going to be a single level deck. I didn't want to glass the 5th panel together at this stage in case there are any hiccups when i go to glue the deck down, will just require a bit more fairing once its glued down and seam taped. (it's really tricky getting perfect measurements near the bow). 

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/797B0ADC-F555-47A5-9E23-0B576C33FF54.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19890&title=797b0adc-f555-47a5-9e23-0b576c33ff54&cat=500)

2 layers of 1808 on the topside and one layer 1808 on the bottom.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/3A0C2AC2-8CCA-4527-BE88-12C76114E92C.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19887&title=3a0c2ac2-8cca-4527-be88-12c76114e92c&cat=500)

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/5F73C189-20E0-43B6-88BD-E4F4E38BED08.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19888&title=5f73c189-20e0-43b6-88bd-e4f4e38bed08&cat=500)


(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/97BEAFC6-268D-421E-85D9-3697400B8F44.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19891&title=97beafc6-268d-421e-85d9-3697400b8f44&cat=500)


I still got 9 gallons of epoxy left as well so I should be able to knock out the rest of the project with that! 

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/6592F375-C128-428F-B199-CEC3B6D9B416.jpeg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=19889&title=6592f375-c128-428f-b199-cec3b6d9b416&cat=500)



I'm getting a custom tank made as the original tank failed a pressure test ( I didn't want to use it anyways too risky for me). I'm thinking around 55 gallons. Feel free to chime in on this as i'm open to recommendations on tank sizes,etc.

The biggest thing i'm looking into now is the tank placement. I know people move them forward, it's just a matter of how much to counter the weight of the motor being on a bracket.






Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Enginerd on February 26, 2020, 11:07:59 PM
good stuff!
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on February 27, 2020, 06:58:46 AM
The original tank was 70 gals and it looked like in the pics that the tank well ended about 12-15" from the transom. Did you get measurements of where the tank well sat in the boat? Do you still have the old tank, maybe that would help figure it out. I would think moving it forward about a foot would balance out the lever effect of the bracketed motor. Mshuggs did the same thing on his CCP, so he probably has the math figured out.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: mshugg on February 27, 2020, 08:52:38 AM
The original tank was 70 gals and it looked like in the pics that the tank well ended about 12-15" from the transom. Did you get measurements of where the tank well sat in the boat? Do you still have the old tank, maybe that would help figure it out. I would think moving it forward about a foot would balance out the lever effect of the bracketed motor. Mshuggs did the same thing on his CCP, so he probably has the math figured out.

Yeah, I shortened my tank 16" to allow for a 58Gal capacity and located it 4" further forward than original.  That had the net effect of moving the tank's CG 12" further forward.  I also relocated my batteries to the console. With a Mere 150 4S on an Armstrong bracket, the boat sits well with no scupper issues.  There is a slight porpoise at speed, but tabs knock it out and I expect that the extra weight of my coffin box will eliminate that.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on February 27, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
Rick, I scrapped the old tank last week and I didn't take measurements of it. My plan is to go with a smaller tank so I didn't really think of doing that, I should have anyways). Also I did not take measurements of the tank compartment when i first got the boat.

mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: mshugg on February 28, 2020, 07:22:14 AM
mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)

I can get you those dimensions Sunday, but my boat is a 200CCP, so yours are likely different.  Maybe someone with a 222 can give you the console location.  Placing the forward bulkhead for the tank at the front of the console is probably a good estimate.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 11, 2020, 06:41:11 PM
Just wanted to give an update. Bulkheads are tabbed in and am awaiting delivery of my new fuel tank. 60x22x9 came out to around 50 gallons. Anyone have a method for attaching their deck? Not so much the epoxy or materials but more so the method? I was thinking have a few boards across the cap with some eye bolts in the deck lowered down slowly with rope.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 11, 2020, 10:02:32 PM
mshugg, I think thats what I'm going to go with somewhere between 50-60 gals. Do you have the measurements of the distance from transom to the tank coffin bulkheads? Also im trying to determine the console placement distances, it's harder with a single level deck ( cant use the casting deck as a reference)

I can get you those dimensions Sunday, but my boat is a 200CCP, so yours are likely different.  Maybe someone with a 222 can give you the console location.  Placing the forward bulkhead for the tank at the front of the console is probably a good estimate.


As an owner of an 81 222 Osprey with a 70 gallon that i just pulled (88.5''x 22.5'' x 8'' (LxWxH)), i think i might be of help for these dimensions. See attached.

The front of the tank coffin box is about 125.25'' from the front of the boat and the back is about 43'' from the inside of the transom leaving a box that is 91.5'' long. You can see some photos in my post that might help with perspective of what i am looking at.  It was dark outside but will gladly take any dimensions you might need of where the original placement of the console was. Also, the 43'' dimension at the back is at deck level.

Hope that helps. Looking forward to seeing some progress! :)

Ulysses

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/888/Photo_May_11_20_09-39-43_PM.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20144&title=photo-may-11-20-09-39-43-pm&cat=888)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 11, 2020, 10:17:48 PM
Ulysses thank you for those numbers! The console numbers would definitely help, i'm in the dark on those numbers. As for my tank, I have the coffin box approx. 62" leaving an inch on each side of the bulkhead. As of now, I have my aft tank coffin bulkhead about 100" from the transom. I am concerned that is not enough and will leave way too much weight forward, maybe i'm wrong on that one?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 11, 2020, 10:51:19 PM
Ulysses thank you for those numbers! The console numbers would definitely help, i'm in the dark on those numbers. As for my tank, I have the coffin box approx. 62" leaving an inch on each side of the bulkhead. As of now, I have my aft tank coffin bulkhead about 100" from the transom. I am concerned that is not enough and will leave way too much weight forward, maybe i'm wrong on that one?

Absolutely! Glad I can help. I’ll put a better drawing together showing the dimensions to include the center console.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Tampa Bay Mike on May 12, 2020, 07:47:44 AM
Here is how I placed everything in my boat. Each line is approx one foot. I have a 55 gal tank that is right at five ft long and it is 8 ft from the transom. I have a small hatch under the console where I can access the fill hose and sending unit, even though I don't use it because I have a C-10 gauge. It is well balanced and runs great.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/20181009_201615.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17797&title=20181009-201615&cat=500)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 12, 2020, 06:07:19 PM

Mike, I like that layout on your build. Mine is going to have the flat deck all the way to the front, so casting deck eliminated. My idea for this was to keep it in line with some of the modern boats you see now (a little easier to move around and less of a tripping hazard). Also with the deck being raised so much, you have much less free board up there.

MY plan was to have a bilge hatch a hatch for compartment just forward of the bilge , and 2 compartments on the side near the console with one large front hatch. Possibly an insulated cooler either fore or aft.

Seems like the sweet spot for the tank placement is around 8ft.  (90-110)" are some numbers recommended to me. I am leaning more towards 8ft and can always counter the weight with batteries, trim tabs.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 16, 2020, 05:55:50 PM
Ulysses thank you for those numbers! The console numbers would definitely help, i'm in the dark on those numbers. As for my tank, I have the coffin box approx. 62" leaving an inch on each side of the bulkhead. As of now, I have my aft tank coffin bulkhead about 100" from the transom. I am concerned that is not enough and will leave way too much weight forward, maybe i'm wrong on that one?

I've been slacking on getting this drawing to you so i wanted to at least get you the dimensions. Reference the drawing i put together the other day and let me know if the dimensions make sense.

1. From the face of the casting deck the console sat 17'' back (about 1'' of coffin box exposed in front of the console).
2. From the inside bottom of transom to back it was 88-7/8''.
3. The center console is 43-1/2'' long.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/888/Photo_May_11_20_09-39-43_PM.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20144&title=photo-may-11-20-09-39-43-pm&cat=888)

Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 19, 2020, 09:39:25 PM
Ulysses, When you say your measurement from the transom, saying from the bottom of the floor to the back  tip of console ? (looking at it from the transom towards bow)  Or from the actual transom itself near the bottom to the console tip? Thank you for those measurements! Should be taking delivery of the fuel tank this week, then hoses, bulkheads and deck. I think I am going to tackle the hatches once the deck is already down. Anyone do it this way or wish they had done it while floor was still out?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 21, 2020, 04:13:47 PM
Picked up my tank today. Will be getting my bulkheads installed this weekend as well as the tank. Hopefully if all goes to plan, will be able to have the deck glued down next week. Now to double check my numbers and pick a good spot to place the tank.

Mattson & Co. did a great job on the tank and fast turnaround.

(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_5226.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20202&title=img-5226&cat=500)
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_5224.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20200&title=img-5224&cat=500)
(http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/500/IMG_5225.jpg) (http://www.classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20201&title=img-5225&cat=500)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on May 21, 2020, 05:46:59 PM
Did you tell us the method you're going to use to install the tank?  Make sure you get a closeup pic of the tag for later.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 22, 2020, 04:01:18 PM
Rick, was instructed by Mr. Mattson to make cow patties of 5200 on the tank coffin, then to smush the tank into those as even as possible. I was given 4 L brackets as well to be screwed to the bulkheads when i know exactly where to place it then 5200 the other end to the tank. The idea being that 5200 will rip thru the bulkhead before the tank. The effort to get that stuff off your hands ,it Sounds good to me, I'm going with it.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: mshugg on May 22, 2020, 04:12:07 PM
. . . .  The idea being that 5200 will rip thru the bulkhead before the tank. The effort to get that stuff off your hands ,it Sounds good to me, I'm going with it.

Mineral spirits or any solvent containing xylene will get it off before it cure.  After that, dynamite.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 22, 2020, 04:16:28 PM
Mshugg, good thing iv'e been using denatured alcohol the whole time  :great02: it Keeps the Rona away too
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 22, 2020, 09:41:08 PM
That's a good looking tank. What size is it? Do you mind sharing what they go for? Do people coat them these days? When i just pulled mine it looks like they put a tar coat on it and looks to be protected.

I thought i was the only one calling it "The Rona" hehe.

Ulysses, When you say your measurement from the transom, saying from the bottom of the floor to the back  tip of console ? (looking at it from the transom towards bow)  Or from the actual transom itself near the bottom to the console tip? Thank you for those measurements! Should be taking delivery of the fuel tank this week, then hoses, bulkheads and deck. I think I am going to tackle the hatches once the deck is already down. Anyone do it this way or wish they had done it while floor was still out?

I am not really sure i understand what you are asking but i will try to help explain the dimension. I am laying tape on the deck floor and measuring from the mounting lip to the transom at the deck height. Does that make sense? Feel free to PM and we can chat or we can exchange numbers and i can explain better.

Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 26, 2020, 02:09:03 AM
Ulysses, my tank was around $650. Not too bad and they out out some quality work there.

I can PM you about the specs and the measurements. I may reuse the original console and just do some glass work on it to allow for more space for electronics, etc. unless i can find a console at the surplus yard.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 26, 2020, 12:24:15 PM
Ulysses, my tank was around $650. Not too bad and they out out some quality work there.

I can PM you about the specs and the measurements. I may reuse the original console and just do some glass work on it to allow for more space for electronics, etc. unless i can find a console at the surplus yard.

Cool thank you! How many gallons? I am doing mods to my cc as well. Couldn't find what i am looking for so decided to remove notch at gauges and make it taller.

Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on May 26, 2020, 01:36:31 PM
The tank plate says approx 50 gallons but doing the math 60”x9”x”22” /231 come out to 51.5 gallon.

Thats Exactly what I was thinking for my console.  just increase the height. The notched area seems useless
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on May 26, 2020, 01:54:59 PM
The tank plate says approx 50 gallons but doing the math 60”x9”x”22” /231 come out to 51.5 gallon.

Thats Exactly what I was thinking for my console.  just increase the height. The notched area seems useless

That was my thoughts exactly. I'd rather have a glove box to seal phones wallets, sunglasses to protect and secure them. Im curious to see some photos if you have some. I have a running post of my two phase build.

Ulysses

Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 18, 2020, 01:24:42 AM
Finally got around to uploading a ton more photos:

My fuel tank is in and the deck is getting ready to go down this week. Working at a good pace now so should have this wrapped up in about a month. Can't wait till shes done.


(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_56461.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20694&title=img-56461&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5650.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20696&title=img-5650&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_56511.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20697&title=img-56511&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_56571.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20714&title=img-56571&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5660.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20716&title=img-5660&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5658.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20715&title=img-5658&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5796.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20698&title=img-5796&cat=881)

1 1/2 " pipe for running bilge hoses to the hullsides. Left enough room in case a second pump is desired.

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5799.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20701&title=img-5799&cat=881)

Pipe seated and sealed.


(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5800.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20702&title=img-5800&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5802.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20704&title=img-5802&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5803.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20705&title=img-5803&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5813.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20706&title=img-5813&cat=881)

bonded some supports to the bulkheads for the floor joints. 3" wide should do nicely.

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_58091.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20709&title=img-58091&cat=881)

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5811.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20710&title=img-5811&cat=881)



My grand plan for securing the deck:

I have scaffolding platform setup over the boat and will use a chainfall to lower it down nice and easy. 4 eye bolts in the deck for good stability. Figured less headache than 4 guys trying to drop it down and I don't have to worry about fighting for time with the glue going down. One man band.

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5834.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20703&title=img-5834&cat=881)

dry fit done. No binding points.
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5831.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20707&title=img-5831&cat=881)


(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5833.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20708&title=img-5833&cat=881)


I am going to also tackle a bit of the console this week as well. It needs a ton of patching from previous cutouts. The plan is to add some height at the bottom as the original console is quite low.  Looking for a flat display surface but have to consider the steering wheel being in the way of electronics and gauges. 

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5815.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20712&title=img-5815&cat=881)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 18, 2020, 02:01:16 AM
More on the console and my ideas for it:

 This thing sure is rough but will look great when its done. I like the original console layout a lot. Many of the newer slim consoles don't have a front seat and limited possibilities. This one just needs about 8" added to make it higher and more in line with a leaning post.
 
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_56641.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20722&title=img-56641&cat=881)

I like the idea of a forward cooler/seat. Additionally I could plumb it to act as a fwd livewell.

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5663.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20721&title=img-5663&cat=881)

I will pour some 2 part foam around the edges of the front cooler so it is nice and insulated. Adding a drain fitting and draining into the bilge shouldn't be too bad. I will have to see about making it a hybrid livewell/ cooler, seems like a great use of the space.

(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5662.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20720&title=img-5662&cat=881)

Can't get this photo to turn the right way.
Mock up of how the console will be layed out. MY ideas for the deck hatches as well as a leaning post/ livewell combo.
I'm planning on building the leaning post/livewell myself so will have to build a melamine mold and figure the sizing. Would like it to match the style of the console
(https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/data/881/IMG_5835.jpg) (https://classicaquasport.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=20723&title=img-5835&cat=881)
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: RickK on August 18, 2020, 06:22:37 AM
That was a huge update. Nice clean work - she's coming along nicely.  :thumleft:
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Tampa Bay Mike on August 18, 2020, 07:51:02 AM
Nice update. Good to see you still at it.
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on August 18, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
I just stumbled across your build the other and was wondering how it was going. Good to see your still going hard at it. Great looking progress you are making! I am contemplating a similar situation with my 87’ that has the shorty console as well. I have some photos in my post regarding a mock-up with some cardboard.

Thanks for sharing

Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Capt. Bob on August 19, 2020, 06:39:41 AM
 :great02:
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 19, 2020, 11:50:25 PM
I am contemplating a similar situation with my 87’ that has the shorty console as well. I have some photos in my post regarding a mock-up with some cardboard.

Thanks for sharing

Ulysses

I checked out your console, looks like we have similar ideas on it. Its crazy how short the thing is, unless you're sitting on a bucket, needs to be raised 6" minimum. Have you thought about compartments, windshield or adding anything else to it ?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on August 19, 2020, 11:53:49 PM
I am going to mold some hatch gutters this weekend. My plan is to get the deck glued down Saturday. Has anyone glued up the hatch gutters after they put the deck down? i.e. clamped in place and lay it up from upside down?
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Ulysses485 on September 05, 2020, 11:51:54 PM
I am contemplating a similar situation with my 87’ that has the shorty console as well. I have some photos in my post regarding a mock-up with some cardboard.

Thanks for sharing

Ulysses

I checked out your console, looks like we have similar ideas on it. Its crazy how short the thing is, unless you're sitting on a bucket, needs to be raised 6" minimum. Have you thought about compartments, windshield or adding anything else to it ?

Looks like I missed this. Have you made any progress on your console? I finally got my hands on some coosa for my modification. I thought about maybe adding a shelf somehow inside or a glove box at the build up top section but not sure just yet. I may try to reuse the railing (Maybe have it powder coated) and would like to replace the windshield with a DIY version but haven’t looked into it yet.  I had found a person locally who deals with teak but not sure I want to go that route anymore.
Ulysses
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: chris1 on October 30, 2020, 02:48:17 PM
do you have to replace the smaller middle stringer I just got mine out and ground down
Title: Re: 87 222 Rebuild
Post by: Hooked-On-Shenanigans on October 31, 2020, 12:49:02 AM
Chris, I did not replace the small stringer in mine. I don't think its necessary or provides any form of support. That part of the boat is very thick to begin with. If i were to do it I would use a small piece of strip coosa. 
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