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December 19, 2015, 09:11:26 AM
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Levi

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1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« on: December 19, 2015, 09:11:26 AM »
So I picked this up for $500 the other day including the trailer and a 1989ish 200 Johnson and all the rigging.

I was wondering if anyone else has a '68 c&s? Is it possible the year on the title is wrong?
Also the boat has two layers of paint over crazed gelcoat any suggestions on what to use to get the paint off? 
Do I have to take it to bare glass to prevent the crazing from coming through my new paint job?

December 19, 2015, 11:57:17 AM
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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2015, 11:57:17 AM »
If you haven't already, start by reading a little history.

http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=265.0

I'll need to dig a little but I seem to recall at least one member here who owned your model, maybe more.

One of the original breeding stock for sure.

Good luck. :thumright:
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December 19, 2015, 12:39:00 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2015, 12:39:00 PM »
Yea I read that that's why I was wondering if the year on my title was wrong ? I figured that '67 was the last year for the Coburn and Sargent s?

December 19, 2015, 05:23:38 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2015, 05:23:38 PM »
It could be a '67 sold in '68. HIN was not required back then so we can't be sure.
Rick
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December 19, 2015, 06:30:53 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 06:30:53 PM »
Yea I looked on the hull and didn't see an HIN anywhere but it could have been painted over. Any idea where I should look out for one as I remove the paint?

December 19, 2015, 07:12:54 PM
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 07:12:54 PM »
They weren't required until '72 so the best you can hope for is a plate like the one in Carl's boat - he has the oldest C&S (Aquasport) that we have here that I can remember.
http://classicaquasport.com/smf/index.php?topic=10014.0
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December 19, 2015, 07:25:22 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 07:25:22 PM »
didnt the C&S hulls have wood stringers similar to prolines and the Aquasport brand have foam/fiberglass? my 68 Aquasport had/has foam/fiberglass
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December 19, 2015, 07:36:24 PM
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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 07:36:24 PM »
I'm sure Carl will be around soon to help us out.
Rick
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December 19, 2015, 10:37:58 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2015, 10:37:58 PM »
Mine is titled as a 67 C&S, but to be honest I think the year was a "best guess".  It also was covered with paint, and when I sanded it off, I found a bit of crazing, especially on the bottom.  The professionals I spoke to said I need to get rid of the cracks or they will show back up.  At least with gel coat (I'm not sure about paint).

FWIW, mine had foam-filled fiberglass stringers.
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December 20, 2015, 09:55:35 AM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2015, 09:55:35 AM »
To my knowledge, all of the C&S boats had the fiberglass stringer systems. It was one of their selling points (reference the 1966 magazine article in the gallery). Keep in mind the original sole is solid glass too, so if you find wood in the sole it is a replacement...

As far as the HIN goes, there would have been a Data/Capacity tag on the inside of the transom just to the port side of the motor cutout.
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December 20, 2015, 07:04:05 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2015, 07:04:05 PM »
There's no deck or stringers the previous owner (s) cut the deck out and replaced the stringers with a shody looking hack job using 2x6's and 2x2's and did an even WORSE hack job on the transom. Everything has to come out and I'll be replacing it with composites.
Looks to have been rebuilt AT LEAST twice already judging by the look of the glass on the bottom of the hull all of that has to be ground down. I dont trust anything any of the previous owners did.
I'll probably just mold some fiberglass stringers on some melamine and do coosa or penske for the transom.
The cap is in OK shape but also has an extra layer or two of paint but SHOULD BE salvageable.
Probably going to do a half tower with a center pod containing two fish boxes a cooler and a 40 gallon livewell and a big casting platform up front  going to keep the rest of the deck wide open.
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December 20, 2015, 08:12:46 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2015, 08:12:46 PM »
Just in case you haven't run one of these boats before, they are really sensitive to weight. Make sure you plan everything out on a spreadsheet to get a good center of gravity number.

I'm typing on my phone, but I will write a better reply in the a.m.
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December 21, 2015, 07:33:30 AM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2015, 07:33:30 AM »
No I haven't run one before but I was planning on keeping everything at or near the center of gravity so nothing changes. The fuel tank will go below the deck underneath the center pod and and the starting and house battery will go in the transom with two deep cycles in the casting platform for the trolling motor. The only change I weight distribution should be having the motor on a porta-bracket (small block v6 E-tec) and I don't think that will effect much because the  livewell and most of the weight will be centered in the boat.

December 21, 2015, 09:25:00 AM
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December 21, 2015, 02:03:54 PM
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Re: 1968 Coburn and Sargent?
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2015, 02:03:54 PM »
i would try to keep most of the weight around the center console.
heres a quick somewhat scale drawing of placement of everything in my boat and she ballanced out almost perfect, and requires very minimal tab adjustment
Aaron
1996 200 Osprey SOLD
1968 22-2 Flatback SOLD
1993 210 Explorer SOLD
1991 Fountain 31TE SOLD
1989 Fountain 12-meter SOLD
1992 Talon F-20 SOLD
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